Cannister filters

[lkazista]

Loring, so is your model H5783 on the filter? (just making sure because it shows the flapper, but doesn't say it is included)

Have you found any plastic bags you prefer over others (some are thinner from what I have read).

I have TOO many projects this year, and don't want to add making a flapper as one of them, so it is worth the extra difference to me, if I can buy one with it, and be done with it. (dust collection location makes it difficult to use air all the way around).

I can try to answer this one for Loring, base don my call yesterday, Model H5783 does include a 3 fin flapper, at least that is what tech support told me yesterday. He also pointed out the price decrease to $150 + $10 oversize charge.

As for the plastic bags, he was unsure of the mil thickness (Model H6899), but did say that $5.95 would only buy you one bagwe both agreed that the price seems high.

I think I need to get my 220 set up, and fire up the machine with one side "clogged" to see what happens before I make the plunge on the purchase. I could just buy one cannister for now, but with Grizzly's shipping rates, it would cost me an extra $15.95 to do it seperate.

Lee

[Garasaki]

Are you planning on permanently mounting the DC somewhere or will it be roll around??

[LCHIEN]

Loring, so is your model H5783 on the filter? (just making sure because it shows the flapper, but doesn't say it is included)

Have you found any plastic bags you prefer over others (some are thinner from what I have read).

I have TOO many projects this year, and don't want to add making a flapper as one of them, so it is worth the extra difference to me, if I can buy one with it, and be done with it. (dust collection location makes it difficult to use air all the way around).

Yes, it has the flipper. I attached a pic last night but today its not there???
anyway, I use bags from www.pennstateind.com, they are heavy duty
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/dcpb7.html
seems like the price has gone up, I think they were $15 for 10 when i got them.
They're probably heavy enough to be reusable but it'd be a mess to empty.

[LinuxRandal]

I can try to answer this one for Loring, base don my call yesterday, Model H5783 does include a 3 fin flapper, at least that is what tech support told me yesterday. He also pointed out the price decrease to $150 + $10 oversize charge.

Lee

Thanks Lee

Are you planning on permanently mounting the DC somewhere or will it be roll around??

Garasaki, who is this asked to? If me, I have a shop height, verses it's location issue (I can't even set it up on its wheels by default).

Yes, it has the flipper. I attached a pic last night but today its not there???
anyway, I use bags from www.pennstateind.com, they are heavy duty
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/dcpb7.html
seems like the price has gone up, I think they were $15 for 10 when i got them.
They're probably heavy enough to be reusable but it'd be a mess to empty.

Thanks Loring!

[hobkirk]

How much dust do you generate?
Might the Wynn pleated filters work?
That would drop the price $78.

Make cleaning easier? My Craftsman shop vac has the leaf blower feature. I setup my vac with 3 vac hoses spliced together and I can reach most parts of the shop/garage. I can also remove the hose from the vac and move it to the blower side after removing the "muffler."

[lkazista]

More Update

SO,

I bite the bullet and went for the double cannister from Grizzly, winds up they only charge you the $10 oversize charge once, even though you are buying two, so a minor score there.

To answer a couple of the questions that I think have been directed at me. I plan on sticking this beast in the far corner of my shop and plumbing everything to it.

I considered the Wynn filters at first. I spoke to them a couple of weeks ago, and they said the paper filters would work fine, but that the Spun Bond actually worked better for wood fibers than the paper. It was only when Grizzly lowered their price on Jan 1 that I considered going with their canister over the Wynn conversion.

Worked out to be $15 extra per filter when all is said and done for the flapper and Grizzly name.

Next task I guess is figuring out the plumbing situation, I have about 50' of Schedule 20, 4 inch DWV pipe laying around, hopefully that can see some usage.

Gotta admit, I love this discussions, so much to e learned from so many viewpoints and experiances.

More than happy to kick in some cash for the 2008 Fund Drive!

Lee

[LarryG]

I don't know that the Grizzly name is worth all that much, but the flapper alone is easily worth a paltry fifteen bucks.

The green, Schedule 35, S&D (sewer and drain) pipe is a better mate with standard dust collection fittings than Schedule 20 or 40. The pipe fittings are cheaper, too. Do an Advanced Search for posts by Tom Miller, keywords "ASTM" and "S&D" and "green" and "3034" (run each search separately) and you'll unearth a wealth of good information on this broad and confusing subject.

[lkazista]

Larry - Agreed on the Grizz name, I only implied that it would be a perfect 'mate' to the existing machine.

Here is another question on the plumbing aspect though for anyone with experiance on this idea. What about using HVAC tin? The 6 inch 90 degree angle is a PERFECT fit on my DC. All of the seams on the straight runs, are in line with the airflow, so no chance for dust build up, and it is fairly affordable.

Lee

[Garasaki]

Cost is the only reason most hobbiests do not use metal duct for their DC's.

[Carlos]

Thanks to this thread, I ordered a Jet canister for my HF DC. Now that I've had it for a week, I have to say that I wish I'd bought one years ago. The obvious reduction in ambient dust goes without saying. But the increase in suction and flow is actually rather startling. It's like I just bought a bigger DC. Definitely worth the upgrade.

The Jet canister fits on the HF unit just fine, but the included hold-down bolts aren't long enough. You'll have to add your own longer bolts. So far the canister is just sitting on top of the DC since I didn't have the right bolts, and it works fine that way.

[mpauly]

The Jet canister fits on the HF unit just fine, but the included hold-down bolts aren't long enough. You'll have to add your own longer bolts. So far the canister is just sitting on top of the DC since I didn't have the right bolts, and it works fine that way.

I picked up a lightly used Jet cannister the other week and I experienced the same thing with the short bolts. The canister lip has a gasket that sits on top of the DC ring and seems to seal well, but the bolts don't secure it to the ring. I suspected the weight of the cannister is enough to keep in on there, but then I looked in the box and noticed a canvas ring about 3/4" in diameter (not sure what it's packed with) that fit around the DC ring and inside the cannister, making up the difference in diameter. The bolt then kind of snug up against the ring. Not sure if this is a stock thing that comes with all the jet cannisters or not.

The cannister does seem to work better than the bags and keeps up with my planer and jointer just fine. However, the DC still doesn't seem to do a really good job with my BT3100 (I need to build a bellypan and get a shark guard.)

Also getting the plastic lower bag on to the HF ring was kind of a pain. I found the easiest way was to tape the bag to the ring until I could get the securing band affixed. Other DC's have metal clips to hold the plastic bags on there, but the HF does not have these. Anyone know of a source for these?

Michael

[LCHIEN]

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Also getting the plastic lower bag on to the HF ring was kind of a pain. I found the easiest way was to tape the bag to the ring until I could get the securing band affixed. Other DC's have metal clips to hold the plastic bags on there, but the HF does not have these. Anyone know of a source for these?

Michael

I use magnets to hold the bag in place while I attach the metal band.

[JR]

Hmmm...

The bags I have (they must have come with the Wynn filter) are a very snug fit. Getting them on is difficult enough, there's no problem with them falling off while fitting the metal band.

Oh, FWIW, I use the old 30mil cloth bag over the plastic bag. It's just a belts and suspenders thing to protect the plastic.

JR

[LarryG]

I'd read the snug-bag complaint before ordering my Wynn kit, and was prepared for a minor struggle. But the bags I got went on easily. Too easily, in fact: not having any magnets at hand (then), I secured it to the ring with a few strips of duct tape until I could get the band clamp on. Maybe they've changed suppliers?

When I run out of clear plastic bags, my belt-and-suspenders experiment will be to see if a 32/33 gallon plastic garbage can, like the Rubbermaid "Roughneck, has room to sit under the bag ring. If it will, I'll line it with one the heavy-gauge "Contractor" trash bags that I buy at Wal-Mart for about a quarter apiece. I live out in the country where I'm able to burn my chips and sawdust, so all I need is a bag good enough to hold up until I can drag the garbage can to the ash pile.

Incidentally, I recently discovered a pinhole in my plastic bottom bag; figuring a sharp-cornered chip had hit it, I mended the hole with a dab of duct tape. I spotted a second pinhole, and mended that one too. Then another. And another. And another. Thinking about this strange phenomena for a moment, I suddenly realized I'd just discovered an excellent reason not to have a cat living in one's shop ...

[BigguyZ]

I just got a used Jet DC. However, it has a 14" ring for filters. Is there a 14" canister that I could upgrade to, or would I have to get a whole new system?

Thanks!