Saw this photo in Woodworking table saw stock photos

[LCHIEN]

Wow, is this ever a no-no! Makes me shudder.

Table is very clean, though.

He'll be able to find his thumb easily and it will be clean when he hands it to the surgeon.

[cwsmith]

Yes, it's amazing how many pictures you see where several dipictions are totally wrong!

It makes me 'wince', and remember my Dad's accident when I was 14, and he wasn't doing anything like that picture portrays.

CWS

[Jim Frye]

Probably someone who would sue the saw manufacturer afterwards.

[capncarl]

I ran into a work friend this week. In our “how are you doings” he mentioned his tablesaw accident last year. Ripped through his thumb and 2nd finger and unable to do normal work for 6 months. We discussed SawStop.

[dbhost]

The soldering one is just as bad... Although less damaging...

[leehljp]

That photo does not bother me any more than cigarette commercials back in the 1950's. What they didn't know and what they didn't have available at that time - that was a different culture and different time from us today. It was the best that was available at that time. Cigarette commercials in the 1950s were riding the backs of the use of tobacco as a useful tool similar to candy to give troops a little bit of home in the middle of the war. The downside of tobacco was not well known back then. As far as the saw, It was a tool to get things done quick and accurately compared to handsaws. Safety was not yet an issue of the tool and the safety itself was on the back of the user then.

That was another time quite different from today and hard for me to cast disapproval on it for that time period. I can condemn torture and such for that time period, but not on what they only knew concerning tools and could invent in that time period.

[capncarl]

There is one tv commercial airing now where the paid actor is pushing a near 5’ wide piece of plywood on a tablesaw, something that anyone with any knowledge of tablesaw safety wouldn’t dare do on a small saw.

[Slik Geek]

The tablesaw photo made me cringe. Reminded me of a co-worker decades ago. On his left hand, IIRC, he was missing the tips of his little finger, ring finger, and middle finger from a shop class table saw mishap in high school shop class from his youth.

One Friday he announced that he had gotten a table saw and would be trying it out that weekend. We nervously discussed among ourselves the hope that he had learned from his high school lesson.

When Monday came, he was absent. Turns out that he fired up the table saw and managed to cut his right thumb clean off - just like the setup in the original posted photo. Sadly his thumb was never recovered so it couldn't be attached. Once he recovered and returned to work, he frequently complained about how hard it was to type when a thumb was missing.

[leehljp]

Back in the day of yesteryear, there were accidents but not like we have today. Safety was personal. Letting little kids come around caused all kinds of yelling and screaming. Letting kinfolk In the shop who had no sense of motorized equipment was a "No Can DO"! Safety was a mindset; thinking cuts through before cutting. At least that is how I learned with a stern dad and a double stern Shop Teacher.

I picked up a habit from my dad and shop teacher: I yelled at my kids BEFORE they did stupid stuff. My wife (and girls) hated that. They all said "They haven't even done anything yet for you to be screaming at them." Me - Cause I want to prevent them from doing what I can see in their minds! I don't want to yell at them AFTER the fact!"

Two daughters with 4 boys and 1 girl each tell me all the time - "Now I know why you did that!"

The BEFORE yelling saves lives, fingers and other things too!

[capncarl]

Watching a u tube yesterday of Stubby talking about the proposed gov mandate concerning saw stop type technology on table saws in rhe future. The stubby u tube had a clip of a senate hearing where it was mentioned that there were 30,000 table saw accidents/ yr in us. No comment on the Stubbs discussion or gov regulations, just throwing out the number I heard.

[JamesDean19]

Some comments are very dark. LOL

[LCHIEN]

Watching a u tube yesterday of Stubby talking about the proposed gov mandate concerning saw stop type technology on table saws in rhe future. The stubby u tube had a clip of a senate hearing where it was mentioned that there were 30,000 table saw accidents/ yr in us. No comment on the Stubbs discussion or gov regulations, just throwing out the number I heard.

This is a opinion piece from the Power Tool Industry, Inc (PTI) which is made up of several table saw manufacturers Bosch, deWalt, Ryobi, Festool, Skil, Black&Decker and others, they write (https://www.powertoolinstitute.com/p...-saw-facts.asp)

• CPSC in 2011 published Survey of Injuries Involving Table Saws for the 2007- 2008 years addressing the distribution of accidents per table saw categories, concluding that benchtop table saws account for 10.5%, contractor saws for 18.3%, and cabinet saws for 68.7% of injuries. There is inconsistency of CPSC’s injury contribution reports by table saw category range in the SNPR to a complete reversal of 60.9% for benchtop, 27.1% for contractor and 9.1% for cabinet table saws, and anything between the two extremes.
• The CPSC SNPR claims there are a total of 49,176 medically treated blade contact injuries for all table saw categories, approximately 29,948 (60.9%) of which they attribute to benchtop saws. In contrast, PTI members, who make up more than half of all benchtop saw on the market, have reported 25 blade contact injuries involving benchtop table saw over a six-year period, that overlaps 2017, a year when both MBG and TBG were in use.
• If the PTI documented injury rate is applied to the entire benchtop table saw population of 5.35 million saws in use during 2017, there would be only 74 documented benchtop table saw injuries.

What PTI is saying here is that CPSC figures are misleading. during 2017, PTI members who make more than half the benchtop table saws in the US recorded only 25 blade contact injuries when users were using traditional blade guard (TBG) or modular blade guards (MBG) provided by the makers. Extrapolating they claim that total such injuries would be 74, not 30,000-40,000 as claimed.

I suppose one point is that existing saw protection, if used is effective, but it can be counter argued that apparently a LOT OF PEOPLE are not using the TBG or MBG provided.

The entire article has some positions and claims with regard to the proposed regulations requiring a saw-stop like device on all saws.

link to PTI: https://www.powertoolinstitute.com/

[capncarl]

Dazzle them with facts?
I Fully agree with Stubbys point that if tablesaw users would leave the guards on the machine accidents would be greatly reduced… or something like that. He also said that if the tablesaw manufacturers would build proper guards that were usable and not flimsy junk people would use them more and not just take them off. Ditto.