DC Assembly and J-Bolts

[Charlie]

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[LCHIEN]

in Jack's defense after looking at his pics and the manual illustration, his rings seems to be made wrong... The holes for the supports are at the assumed bottom, then the ring is at the wrong end (top swapped with bottom) and the taper-slope is the wrong way, too. At least, thats' the way the pics look.

[Garasaki]

Yeah they are definately different then the manual shows, and they definately have an "up" and a "down" because of the mounting holes.

They do appear to be upside down, but I wonder if they also are left and right specific and perhaps the OP has the left and right ones mixed up (I am trying to do the mental oragomi to figure out if it would matter if the left and right ones were mixed up and it's too late in the afternoon for me to come to a decent conclusion.)

[Charlie]

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[Garasaki]

The taper has me puzzled also, who knows, maybe it's a bad camera angle, or someone pushed them the other way, if thats possible, or it's manufactured wrong.

Again, having just messed with these on my DC, I think it would be possible to "pop" them "out".

Which means you should also be able to "pop" them back in...

[pelligrini]

Even if the rings pictured were tapered the wrong way they are still on the wrong end of the whole assembly in relation to the square input port. In order to get the ring on the top, the assembly in the first photo would be flipped and used on the left, but the support legs wouldn't reach.

[JR]

Gosh, it's too bad Charlie's input has been deleted. I saw it earlier but have since been getting some exercise and drank a few beers. I'm in just the perfect mood to respond.

I suppose it's all for the better.

JR

[jackellis]

Gosh, it's too bad Charlie's input has been deleted. I saw it earlier but have since been getting some exercise and drank a few beers. I'm in just the perfect mood to respond.

I'm in Florida at the moment for a wedding. Had a nice Scottish ale with lunch right before I read Charlie's post and decided it wasn't worth getting upset over, especially because there was a chance, however small, that I might have messed up reassembling the thing. I don't like wasting people's time and typically won't ask for help until I'm stumped myself (typical male behavior), but I also know many of you get great satisfaction from helping others solve problems and I do appreciate all of the replies, even Charlie's.

I think Garaski might be right about trying to pop the flange out and put it in on the other end of the ring. If I can't do that without causing irreversible damage, then I'll have an excuse to experiment with modifications to the donut.

[Black wallnut]

Gosh, it's too bad Charlie's input has been deleted. I saw it earlier but have since been getting some exercise and drank a few beers. I'm in just the perfect mood to respond.

I suppose it's all for the better.

JR

JR, hey bud thanks for caring enough but really, please leave that type of stuff to the pros Mods and Admins. Let me just say that if ya'll have a problem with another's post just use the built-in report post button. That is what brought this one to my attention. Ab0ove all lets all strive to stick to the OP and be kind to one another.

[LCHIEN]

It's my thinking that the parts were made all upside down and backwards as far as I can tell from the pictures and the manual pages.


Jack, you did not say how you came by this used?
If they came that way from the factory (it would seem to me that the tapered cone is rigid and welded in place so simply popping it the other way and moving it is not an easy option nor something a previousowner would have done while messing around.

I would say bring it to the attention of Grizzly customer service staff, they may have had a bad run and somehow got out. If so it would plainly be a manufacturing defect even some years later and they might replace it. Before trying to rebuild it or correct it myself. I think if made the intended way (according to manufacturing drawings) it should work reasonably well without resorting to a bunch of modifications. Attaching the Wynn canisters has been done before and once the rings are right then the canisters may fit correctly with their hardware.

It really looks to me like multiple errors in the placement and angle of the ring and the holes for the support brackets may have been made, unless somehow the pictures are an optical illusion.

A normal Dust Collector ring has from top to bottom,
1. Flange ring with donut hole, the flange sloping down to the hole in the middle.
2. Inlet in the side below the flange
3. pairs of holes around the sides for the support brackets.

It appears to me there should be two mirror image rings for the four-bag collector with the inlet angled for clockwise and anti-clockwise air rotation on the right and left.

[jackellis]

I've been spending my idle moments considering how to build new support columns that would allow the rings to be inverted so the donut is on top. Still not an ideal arrangement but certainly an improvement.

I think some 1/8" or 3/16" angle iron and a couple of beefy Stanley angle brackets might do the trick. One problem with the stock supports is that they are not very stiff.

[cgallery]

I'd follow Loring's advice (check w/ Grizzly about whether they're replace the mis-manufactured rings).

If not, then I'd investigate whether some thin, medium, or thick conduit would have the right I.D. or O.D. to be able to extend the current legs (but cutting them in half then adding some conduit in the middle).

[LCHIEN]

jack seems determined to modify them until they work.

[Charlie]

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[jackellis]

Charlie,

You're correct that I don't remember the make and model of the DC and I can't look it up until I get back home on Tuesday. I can tell you it is NOT sold by Grizzly and it's not a name brand manufacturer, though I am pretty certain it was made in China. I bought it used for $75 from a friend who used to have a woodworking school and always had the original felt bags installed.

Since you raised the notion of wasting people's time again, there are a couple of points I'd like to make. First, I typically waste a lot of my own time trying to figure things out before I ask for help, which constantly irritates my spouse. Second, no one on this forum is under any obligation to respond to one of my posts. I don't expect it and I am very grateful for any and all suggestions because inevitably I either learn something I didn't know before or I think about the problem from a different angle. Cgallery, for example, has proposed a better solution for modifying the supports than the one I was considering.

On Tuesday or Wednesday, I will track down the manual and post an exploded drawing when I get home. If it turns out I've been totally boneheaded about this whole thing, it'll be obvious for all to see and I'll have to find a couple of crows for dinner

Loring is correct. I may have to use the DC for a time with the rings in the wrong position but I am going to figure out how to make this work. It's a matter of manly honor