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  • niki
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2006
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    Kickback

    I would like to suggest that everybody, especially the new comers to the hobby, to read this article about the "Kickback" phenomena.
    http://home.att.net/~waterfront-wood...w/tablesaw.htm

    Have a safe work
    niki
  • DUD
    Royal Jester
    • Dec 2002
    • 3309
    • Jonesboro, Arkansas, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    #2
    Niki

    Very Good Article. Bill
    5 OUT OF 4 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS.

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    • gmack5
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      • Dec 2002
      • 1973
      • Quapaw, Oklahoma, USA.
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      #3
      Good Article!

      Niki, Very good article, thanks for the link.

      Most of the stuff the Auther talked about, I was aware of, but had not seen all in one place before.
      Stop thinking why you can't and Start thinking how you CAN!
      Remember, SUCCESS comes in CANS!
      George

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      • rcp612
        Established Member
        • May 2005
        • 358
        • Mount Vernon, OH, USA.
        • Bosch 4100-09

        #4
        Originally posted by niki
        I would like to suggest that everybody, especially the new comers to the hobby, to read this article about the "Kickback" phenomena.
        http://home.att.net/~waterfront-wood...w/tablesaw.htm

        Have a safe work
        niki
        From this suggested link:
        Lumber Core Plywood Since this material uses a solid lumber core, it is best to select a different blade for ripping and crosscutting operations. A combination blade is probably best suited to get through a ripping operation with the cleanest edge, and a crosscut blade should serve nicely for crosscuts.

        My thoughts are, how can you know the difference between ripping and crosscutting when the plies are alternated in plywood? It seems to me that either way is a rip cut or, either way is a crosscut. Am I wrong in my thinking?
        Do like you always do,,,,,,Get what you always get!!

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        • cgallery
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2004
          • 4503
          • Milwaukee, WI
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          #5
          Originally posted by rcp612
          From this suggested link:
          Lumber Core Plywood Since this material uses a solid lumber core, it is best to select a different blade for ripping and crosscutting operations. A combination blade is probably best suited to get through a ripping operation with the cleanest edge, and a crosscut blade should serve nicely for crosscuts.

          My thoughts are, how can you know the difference between ripping and crosscutting when the plies are alternated in plywood? It seems to me that either way is a rip cut or, either way is a crosscut. Am I wrong in my thinking?
          Lumber core is actually made by edge-gluing nearly 3/4" thick pieces of lumber and then covering with top and bottom veneers.

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          • rcp612
            Established Member
            • May 2005
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            • Mount Vernon, OH, USA.
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            #6
            Sorry,,,,,Evelyn Wood drop-out I should speed read twice to get ALL the info.
            Do like you always do,,,,,,Get what you always get!!

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            • Stytooner
              Roll Tide RIP Lee
              • Dec 2002
              • 4301
              • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
              • BT3100

              #7
              I'm concerned about the article. I don't agree with everything the author said with regard to the causes for kickbacks. He doesn't site nearly all the common causes. Also, how can you discuss this topic and not mention a splitter or RK? If he mentioned it, I missed it.
              Lee

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              • RodKirby
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                • Dec 2002
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                #8
                Originally posted by Stytooner
                I'm concerned about the article. I don't agree with everything the author said with regard to the causes for kickbacks. He doesn't site nearly all the common causes. Also, how can you discuss this topic and not mention a splitter or RK? If he mentioned it, I missed it.
                I Totally agree with you, Lee No mention of "behind the blade" problems and how to avoid them.
                Downunder ... 1" = 25.4mm

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                • niki
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2006
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                  • Poland
                  • EB PK255

                  #9
                  You are correct Lee, I also did not see him refering to the blade alignment problem that, I think has big role, the use of short rip fence and of course, as you mentioned splitter or RK.

                  I think that he assumes that those factors are well known to everyone.

                  niki

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                  • drumpriest
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                    • Feb 2004
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                    • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
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                    #10
                    I agree with Lee and Rod, there are parts of this article that I would call into suspition. The blade height portion of the article is contrary to what I've been told by Freud and Forrest. No mention of guards or splitters is worrying. Nor is there mention of feather boards and hold downs for longer rip cuts, etc...

                    I'm glad that I read it, but I wouldn't look at it as flawless.
                    Keith Z. Leonard
                    Go Steelers!

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                    • lcm1947
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                      • Sep 2004
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                      #11
                      Thanks for the article Niki. One can't ever read or remember to think about kickback too much in my opinion.
                      May you die and go to heaven before the Devil knows you're dead. My Best, Mac

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                      • Stytooner
                        Roll Tide RIP Lee
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 4301
                        • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
                        • BT3100

                        #12
                        The article was written a while ago, so it could benefit from some updating. He makes some interesting assumptions that just are not the case. Cutting with the blade 1.5" above the stock is not good practice and can cause kickback issues of it's own.
                        I am glad that you pointed the article out to us though Niki. It serves to show that not everything written on the web should be followed or believed. The article is misleading and incomplete.

                        One of our own members has taken the time to explain kickbacks in more depth with some fine illustrations. Ray in the UK.
                        Here is a link to his article in our articles section.
                        https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained
                        I haven't found a better description of the problem and the solution anywhere.
                        Ray did a fine job on it. Thanks, Ray.
                        Lee

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                        • niki
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 566
                          • Poland
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                          #13
                          Lee
                          Thank you so much for the link to Ray's article.

                          Ray explains it muuuuuch better.

                          As I said before, the article in my link did not refer to fence alignment that was the first in Ray's article, and also the usage of RK and Feather board to reduce the danger of kickback (and I would add to it some kind of hold-down).

                          So, I benefited by posting this thread.

                          Ray
                          Thank you so much for your excellent article

                          Now, which TS was selected to be the best by XXX magazine...

                          niki

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                          • drumpriest
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                            #14
                            This is what makes this a great forum, disagreement, more information revealed because of it, and noone angry at each other. Well done all.
                            Keith Z. Leonard
                            Go Steelers!

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                            • Ken Weaver
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                              • Feb 2004
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                              #15
                              Amen to Keith's comments - kickback is something that's happened to most of us in one form or another and we can never let our "guard" down. Thanks for starting this thread Niki.
                              Ken Weaver
                              Clemson, SC

                              "A mistake is absolute proof that someone tried to do something!

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