Gun Control through Ammo Control - Fact or Fiction

[woodturner]

another article on this topic
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...rtner=yahootix

[chopnhack]

Like I stated before, theres plenty of ammo around,just greed from some is limiting it , http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...rds=ammunition

I disagree Tommy. When you have to buy ammo via auction method there is a problem! I did find a local reloading company and called them. He was out of most calibers, rifle and pistol, but he did have some surplus 9mm, berdan primed, which means they are probably surplus from europe. $20 for 50 rounds, limit 2.

[tommyt654]

Thats my whole point, folks bought up all the ammo in part as a way to make extra money, therefore limiting the amounts usually readily available to the public,hence the shortage. This has been going on for quite a while now especially on popular calibers on the 60+ pages of ammo for sale here and this is just 1 of many auction sites,Do you really think that they aren't posting the identical ammo on other sites as well. Like I said theres plenty of ammo out there, its just in the hands of the greedy enterprising buyers/sellers many who are in fact dealers who can make a bigger buck by auctioning it off than selling in on the shelf, welcome to the new age of society where greed runs rampant. I too have local suppliers who are getting ammo in stock and immediately sell it to those who some in turn resell. I recently had a conversation with my local Wamart sales assoc. regarding the issue and he clearly stated folks line up in the morning to buy whatever popular ammo is available whether they have use for that caliber or not to resell on places like this or even CL recently has been having adds for ammo as well, We can agree to disagree, but the reality is for profit, folks are a part of the problem here not manufacturing issues

[woodturner]

he clearly stated folks line up in the morning to buy whatever popular ammo is available whether they have use for that caliber or not to resell on places like this or even CL recently has been having adds for ammo as well, We can agree to disagree, but the reality is for profit, folks are a part of the problem here not manufacturing issues

Buying retail to resell is a growing problem in many categories, even though it is a terms and service violation for nearly every retail source. You just have to look on the deal sites to see many examples of people buying for resell to exploit price mistakes and rebates.

Basically buyers are prohibeted from reselling new merchandise purchased at retail at nearly every store, including specifically Walmart. However, unless the stores start enforcing their policies, though, and start suing the resellers, it's not likely to change. It's sort of like the sales tax issue - lots of people are not paying the sales tax on merchandise bought on the web, but until the states start effectively enforcing the law, it's not likely to change.

[schloff]

I am firmly believing that most of this craziness is from govenment intrusion. What makes a person or persons horde anything? For fear of not being able to get it in the future.
What would make a person fear that in his case? The national government.

This is why certain issues are to be left to the soverign states to debate and regulate, if necessary.

2nd Amendment (along with the rest) are intended to be limits placed on the Federal Government, not the soverign stated or the individuals that make up that state. Somehow, we ended up with a backwards world.

When folks horde, the rules of supply and demand kick in. When that happens, gouging can occur (it's the capitalist way, by nature), which doubles down on the prices (and more).

And the only ones who get hurt is the end users, like us.

If this post is too political, I apologize. But it applies to both sides of the coin, red or blue.

[leehljp]

When folks horde, the rules of supply and demand kick in. When that happens, gouging can occur (it's the capitalist way, by nature), which doubles down on the prices (and more).

And the only ones who get hurt is the end users, like us.

Woodturner also mentioned that some retailers "prohibit" the re-selling of their products.

Both of these themes reflect direct "supply - demand" capitalism. I remember readings about Sam Maloof and his $25,000 rocking chair, and other furniture. Sam started making his furniture for his home. Then for others. Long story short - He basically found that if he made a piece of furniture and sold it for $2000.00 the demand was so great that it was being re-sold for $5000. Then upping his price to $5000, it was re-selling for $10,000. Upping the price again and selling for $10,000 but finding that it was reselling for $15,000. AFAIK, he kept the basic Maloof rocking chair at $25,000 although it would probably fetch twice that.

On ammo, the down side is for the hoarders who get caught with an abundance when supply catches up with demand at a median price.

[TB Roye]

My question would be how much Ammo is enough? I probably have several hundred rounds for the Rifles and maybe a 100 for the shot gun and several hundred for each of the Handguns that is mainly because I do shoot them. Haven't bought any Ammo in years. Does it have a shelf life? Now when the deliver my Grenade launcher, flame thrower and my M1A1 I will be set. I think the possible gun and ammo control legislation is probably the cause of the hoarding. There probably are profiteers in there also. In California they are talking of Taxing Ammo more to raise money than to control the sale of Ammo or Guns. I am not trying to make political statement that is just a fact here in CA

Tom

[schloff]

My problem with the hoarding is that when I need to replenish a few rounds for the field box is that I can't find any 22s. Forget paying a little more (or double). I can't find one box.

22LR??? Of all calibers?

People who will keep 20,000 rounds on hand will end up getting burned big time in the long run or end up with a gold mine when the dust settles.

[chopnhack]

We can agree to disagree, but the reality is for profit, folks are a part of the problem here not manufacturing issues

No, we will not agree to disagree... Your point has been well illustrated and I stand corrected For the most part this is a demand side issue. There are some other mitigating circumstances, but mostly demand side.

I understand what you mean about the hording. This economy is such that there are more and more people needing to create other avenues of income, as far fetched as it sounds, why not buy and resell whatever has enough demand. Out of a job, why not stand in line early in the morning or camp out the night before and buy out what you can and then resell it.

On another note, you are an excellent scout of deals, have you not resold purchases you have found? Are you concerned about the previously mentioned retail policies that might make it tougher for you to unload some of your finds?

[tommyt654]

RE:Retail policys, I have never been visited by the retail police so far and frankly doubt I ever will. As far as I'm concerned once I purchase an item it is mine to do what I will with it as it becomes my property, whether that involves reselling (which I did on occasion of during my early ankle accident phase) or even now if I deem it something I want to do in this capitalistic society we now live in.As you can see many ,including retailers choose auction styled websites to move their items to the highest bidder rather than simply retailing it out for a base profit. Personally I don't see how any company whose policy bars reselling an item puchased legally could enforce legal actions against anyone in society today. It might be THEIR policy but whose to say its legally enforceable as everyones policy differs

[chopnhack]

A good reason for the qty maxes imposed.

[leehljp]

I really do appreciate the way everyone has discussed a potential "explosive" subject with great civility. Hey, we can do it. Who says we "men" can't keep our emotions in check?

[woodturner]

Personally I don't see how any company whose policy bars reselling an item puchased legally could enforce legal actions against anyone in society today.

When you buy from a retailer, you are "signing" their contract, agreeing to their terms.

The prohibitions against resale are enforceable and have consistently been upheld by the courts. The retailer just has to sue the reseller to cancel the contract and recover the merchandise. However, retailers generally only take action when people are buying and reselling a lot. The easier, more customer friendly way to control this is for retailers to set quantity limits on purchases.

More and more, companies are selling licenses rather than products. For example, when you buy software you are buying a license or right to use the software, not the software itself. That's why it's not legal to resell Windows, for example. Some companies are doing that with other products, too. For example, you might "buy" a computer, but you are really only buying a license, which means you have the right to use the hardware but do not actually own it, and therefore cannot legally resell it, etc.

[cabinetman]

RE:Retail policys, I have never been visited by the retail police so far and frankly doubt I ever will. As far as I'm concerned once I purchase an item it is mine to do what I will with it as it becomes my property, whether that involves reselling (which I did on occasion of during my early ankle accident phase) or even now if I deem it something I want to do in this capitalistic society we now live in.As you can see many ,including retailers choose auction styled websites to move their items to the highest bidder rather than simply retailing it out for a base profit. Personally I don't see how any company whose policy bars reselling an item puchased legally could enforce legal actions against anyone in society today. It might be THEIR policy but whose to say its legally enforceable as everyones policy differs

You are correct. What you purchase belongs to you. You haven't signed any "contract" with a retailer constituting your acceptance of conditions to the sale, or limiting your use of the product. Licensed software is a different issue altogether.

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[phrog]

Where I come from, with a few exceptions, when you buy something it is yours to do with as you please. You can use it, sell it, give it away, eat it, burn it, or do anything you please with it. It's a transfer of goods in return for payment. When a retailer starts telling me what I can or can't do with goods, that's the day I will be going to another retailer. Sorry if I sound harsh, but the very idea of someone telling me what I can do with products I purchase from him really gets my blood boiling.