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**jackellis** · 01-16-2009, 09:42 AM

Well that and the fact that "the fat lady hasn't sung" yet, meaning we have not seen the NTSB report.

LOML tells me that a local "expert" thinks the cockpit crew may end up being the goat in this case because they inadvertently shut down the good engine while trying to cope with the emergency. I know it happens in situations with less experienced pilots who fly alone, but I doubt two experienced pilots would make that mistake. One flies, one does everything else. Still...

**radhak** · 01-16-2009, 10:13 AM

The more I think about it, the tougher the task of landing a commercial flight on water seems to be. I know nothing about flying, but I am sure there's no training for it - all sorts of potential for the wheels to sink, maybe either of the wings to tip and ultimately cause the whole plane to do a cartwheel.

I am surprised no hollywood stunt director has thought up this scenario for some spectacular effects... Of course, now any such would pale in comparison to the real thing - 'Sully' has made it look easy

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**Bruce Cohen** · 01-16-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Black wallnut

Now that there is a funny way to post this topic. LOL

There appears to be a "Double Standard" here.

I live in NY and while I didn't see the plane go into the river, people I know did (and it brought back 9/11 nightmares to them and me, as I did see the second plane thi the south tower. There is absolutely nothing humorous about a plane crash. I dont see how anyone can find any humor in this and I'm a bit shocked about these comments and the lack of a Mod's retort (except for Crockett's) in regards to this.

But, if it had to do with politics or any of the other tem million politically incorrect things that are posted in jest, you mod's would be beside yourselves locking this thread and warning the "offender" about what this forum is all about.

Your guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bruce

**Kristofor** · 01-16-2009, 10:21 AM

I was working when the crash happened so there was a couple hours delay, but by then it was being reported that all on board had survived.

I think that's the key difference in why it's okay to crack a joke so soon after the fact. If half the people on board (or even just one) had been killed that's a different story. With all surviving it's a "Boy that was lucky, thank god we're alive" rather than "I can't believe they didn't even get us to Charlotte". For people who weren't up on the news that all had survived I can understand how it could seem callous.

In general it's been a great 2 years for the commercial airline industry when it comes to not killing people. Out of 1.5 billion passengers in 2007-2008 not one died. This isn't the article I read in the local paper but it's about the same and came up first on the search engine... http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...nesafety_N.htm

**430752** · 01-16-2009, 10:40 AM

I'm the OP and I'll admit that I posted it before I knew whether all the passengers and crew were safe. I knew some or many were safe, but not all. But I still would have posted it. Humor is no laughing matter, it is probably the single most powerful tool/emotion we have next to anger and love. I feel Life is too short, brutish, nasty and hard not to laugh about, otherwise you'll just cry. What's the old saw, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone? I cut off my finger in a circular saw accident, first thing I did before looking for my finger on the ground was to crack wise when I told my wife to call 911. My uncle hit (or got hit) by a train, first thing I did was remark that he should have bought a ticket. Its a coping mechanism. Celebrate life, not tragedy.

Of course, not all things are capable of humor, but those things not capable of humor are very few and far between, imho, and usually limited to those instances completely devoid of life. Off the top of my head, they might be Pearl Harbor, The Holocaust, 9/11, the famine in Ethiopia, etc. Otherwise, forgive me if I try to find the humor in all aspects of life. No disrespect made or intended.

**Black wallnut** · 01-16-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Bruce Cohen

There appears to be a "Double Standard" here.

I live in NY and while I didn't see the plane go into the river, people I know did (and it brought back 9/11 nightmares to them and me, as I did see the second plane thi the south tower. There is absolutely nothing humorous about a plane crash. I dont see how anyone can find any humor in this and I'm a bit shocked about these comments and the lack of a Mod's retort (except for Crockett's) in regards to this.

But, if it had to do with politics or any of the other tem million politically incorrect things that are posted in jest, you mod's would be beside yourselves locking this thread and warning the "offender" about what this forum is all about.

Your guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bruce

Bruce there is no double standard. Myself and the moderators are imperfect humans just like the entire forum membership. Every single post is a judgement call on the part of the poster and us as to wheather it fits within the rules of conduct on this forum. As such there are times when there is not agreement. I don't beleive in living as if I was walking on egg shells. If I see humor in an event that does not really make me a bad person. When I saw the title of this thread I had already read the news article. The mainstream news and not so mainstream news sensationalizes headlines all day long. The OP did in my mind nothing more than this. It was his play on words that made me laugh not actual event.

Bottom line is I think folks just need to lighten up. There is no malice in this thread unlike a differnt thread that was locked yesterday. It is my duty as Admin to try to keep things on an even keel. It was with that spirit that I reported to all that this topic had been reported. I am in total agreement with Sam, our kind host, that heavy handed moderation is not the way to run a forum. I let far more threads skate by that perhaps I should close and possibly delete. Most generally my replies to threads are my own opinion, not the opinion of the forums ownership, as such I am falliable as all humans are. Sorry if you are offended by this but your offese is your choice not my intent.

JR · 01-16-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Bruce Cohen

There appears to be a "Double Standard" here.

But, if it had to do with politics or any of the other tem million politically incorrect things that are posted in jest, you mod's would be beside yourselves locking this thread and warning the "offender" about what this forum is all about.

It's not really a double standard, IMO, Bruce. Politics are specifcially prohibited as topics of discussion. This is a question of taste, which is not. Bad taste is not proscribed.

JR

**crokett** · 01-16-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Bruce Cohen

TI dont see how anyone can find any humor in this and I'm a bit shocked about these comments and the lack of a Mod's retort (except for Crockett's) in regards to this.

But, if it had to do with politics or any of the other tem million politically incorrect things that are posted in jest, you mod's would be beside yourselves locking this thread and warning the "offender" about what this forum is all about.

Your guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bruce

One of the problems with being a Mod is having other members know when your mod hat is off. In this case, there is no reason to lock this thread (not political, profane, sexually explicit, etc) The thread was posted (IMO) in bad taste. However, bad taste is not against the rules. That is my personal opinion, not my opinion as a mod. There have been lots of other threads that people didn't like, but we didn't do anything because they were not against the rules.

Dang. JR beat me to it.

**LCHIEN** · 01-16-2009, 01:44 PM

if its any judgement on whats good taste or not, the plane crash was fodder amongst late night talk show hosts yesterday.
On the second though, probably not. They're just a bunch of non-prime-timers trying to get laughs.

**crokett** · 01-16-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by LCHIEN

if its any judgement on whats good taste or not, the plane crash was fodder amongst late night talk show hosts yesterday.
On the second though, probably not. They're just a bunch of non-prime-timers trying to get laughs.

Yeah but by then we knew that everybody had survived. I'd have laughed at this thread if it were posted late yesterday or this morning. The bad taste is not the thread per se but the timing - it went up before most of us knew there were no fatalities. I heard plane crash in the Hudson River and was imagining a plane sitting on the river bed.

**TB Roye** · 01-16-2009, 03:34 PM

Having read this after knowing everybody was oke, I got a chuckle out of some of it. I can fully understand Bruce's feeling after 9/11 and the plane crash a month or so later. My Neice was near the Towers on 9/11 and we can remember the fear we felt. Many years ago my Uncle was on a plane comming back for the Islands. About half way to SF the plane rand in big problems (DC7) and had to ditch. If I remember right all survied and ditching, I think there is film of it around and will probably show up on one the News Channels. He was also shot down twice over Europe during WWII and now lives close by and 92 years old. Some time people do and say thing that at the time just don't fit and shouldn't have been said. I thing the crew of that plane did and great job during that situation all should be praised for the actions.

Tom

**Uncle Cracker** · 01-16-2009, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by crokett

Yeah but by then we knew that everybody had survived. I'd have laughed at this thread if it were posted late yesterday or this morning.

Most late-night shows are taped in the afternoon. By then, the knowledge that this was not the tragedy it could have been was widespread. I was only the third person on this thread, and by then it was well documented that a catastrophe was averted, or I would not have felt comfortable (or relieved) enough to make light of it in my post. If I offended, it was not intentional.

**jackellis** · 01-16-2009, 06:01 PM

Guys (and gals), this thread has been civil and quite kind compared with some.

**RAFlorida** · 01-16-2009, 06:13 PM

This was not 9/11 or any other deadly

crash. We can take a deep sigh and thank whoever you wish. And a smile to know that ALL walked away physically unharmed. Lighten up, yes.

**Stytooner** · 01-18-2009, 07:12 AM

Here is a followup video caught by the Coast Guard.

http://thesecretsofvancouver.com/wor...o/tech-goodies

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