Miter saw blades

[charliex]

Anyone use the Freud Avanti 10" x 80T Thin Kerf Ultra Fine Finish
Crosscut Miter Saw Blade blade in your miter saw? Rockler has them for $30.00 with free shipping and I'm using a standard 80 tooth TK blade of unknown origin.

Chas

[sandoz71]

Have had it on my saw for some time now. Great cut with little effort and leaves a nice finish behind with little to no splinter. I think I paid more when I bought it....

[drsung]

Could this be used on a SLIDING Compound Miter Saw?

[sandoz71]

Mine is a 10"slider. Havent hurt myself yet!

[SARGE..g-47]

Could this be used on a SLIDING Compound Miter Saw?

Could.. but may not be recommended. I say "may not" as the blade is an ATB which is a positive angle hook but I can't find the amount of actual angle in the tooth configuration and even on the Freud web-site. Freud and other manufacturers recommend a negative hook for radial arm saws and sliding miter saws so that's what they make for them. I have seen a few sliding compound blades with positive hook but the hook is no more than +5 degrees.

Most ATB blades are somewhere in the vicinity of 15-20 positive degrees which means they are more suited for table saws and standard miters. From my personal experience you can use a positive hook on a slider but.. the higher angle is more agressive and wants to move the stock around and lift on the fence where a negative hook wil push the stock down and into it. I believe that a positive hook is more critical with a radial arm than a slider as many that have them actually back-cut.

So again.. bottom line is you can but is not recommend to use a high angle positive hook on sliders and radial arms...

[cabinetman]

On miter and RAS's, I prefer to use full kerf blades. If the moulding is very small, I may use an 80T. Full kerf blades IMO are more stable. For most moulding like casing, base, crown, I get satisfactory results with a 60T.
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[JimD]

I agree with the comments on hook angle - it made a significant difference when I put a negative hook blade on my RAS.

I don't think otherwise crosscut is as sensitive to blade as is ripping on a table saw. I just get a blade with enough teeth, ATB grind, the right diameter, and as cheap as possible. I think the one on my 10 inch is a Freud.

Jim

[steve-norrell]

I purchased one of those to have it on hand -- as a spare for my BT3100.

I did not realize it was sold as a blade for miter saws. But when it came, I noticed that I already had one - - one that I had used for cross cutting on the table saw. I had the older blade resharpened and it was hanging on a hook with the wax still on it. It did a great job, IMO, better than some other blades I have used since.

But, I did have a moment of angst, wondering if I was inviting disaster by using it in the TS, but after checking the specs, I found that the BT3100 rpm is almost half of the rated speed for that blade and the blurb on the Rockler page says its recommended for miter saws and "underpowered" table saws (not that I consider the BT3100 terribly underpowered). Whew . . . . .

Regards, Steve

[Knottscott]

The TK806 is one I haven't used and am not certain about the hook angle either, but it looks sufficiently low that it should be fine on a slider or a RAS. If I had to guess, I'd say it's very close to 0°. Theortically, it should be great in plywood, fine crosscuts, etc, but might be a tad slow in thicker materials and isn't likely to rip efficiently.

[SARGE..g-47]

A post from Lumberjocks...

I’ve got the 80 tooth Avanti and it cuts very smoothly. It left the cleanest end grain I’ve ever seen (in my limited experience) on a crosscut. The only problem is, I have it on my sliding miter saw and it has a 15 degree hook. It’s fine for soft wood but I’ve already had it grab ahold of a 1/4 thin piece of oak, snatch it out of my hand, and shatter it into splinters while doing a crosscut. For anything besides a sliding saw, I believe it would be just fine. I got a very clean face on both sides of the cut when crosscutting with only occasional very small tearouts on the far side of the cut (on white pine). When cutting the previously mentioned piece of white oak at an angle, it did leave a little bit of some feathered wood along the top edge of the side of the cut where it was cutting towards the grain, but that cleaned right up. I haven’t used it for ripping.

-- Dale Manning, Carthage, NY

Then again from Lumberjocks two post latter..


I have one of the 80 tooth avanti blades in a sliding miter saw and love it. It cuts, at least to me, just as well as a Forrest blade. The best thing is it was 1/2 the price

-- ....medic20447

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15 degree hook and one had problems... the other loves it as well as a Forrest!

Go figure! Variety is the spice of life... ha.. ha.. ha.. ha... ha...

[Knottscott]

Hi Sarge - I can't help but wonder if one of the owners was wrong about which model they had. 15° is fairly easily recognized as a steep hook....like that of the Freud LU88, Diablo 1060, and the Freud Avanti TK406, which are better suited for TS. Or maybe Freud has changed the geometry over the years...?

Here's the TK806 from Rockler:


Here's the TK406 (60T w/15° hook) shown on Amazon:

[Gator95]

Anyone use the Freud Avanti 10" x 80T Thin Kerf Ultra Fine Finish
Crosscut Miter Saw Blade blade in your miter saw? Rockler has them for $30.00 with free shipping and I'm using a standard 80 tooth TK blade of unknown origin.
Chas

I've used the craftsman version of this blade (Freud manufacture, made in Italy) in both my TS for plywood and my miter saw. Very good blade, very clean cut, very economical.

[LinuxRandal]

I can tell you it is NOT a 15 degree hook angle. My father had picked one up from Lowe's on clearance (was more then Rockler), and Sunday I picked up another LU85R010 ($36 gloat). I took it over there as he knew I used a different blade, and he wanted to learn the differences. The LU clearly had a steeper hook angle, and it is 10 degrees, so I am pretty sure the TK806 is 5 degrees.

Unfortunately, trying to explain some of the differences, and how you can tell one Freud blade from another, isn't exactly easy when your comparing it to a discontinued line, that isn't even on their website.

[SARGE..g-47]

From the pics Scott posted (thanks for the assist Scott) I can also tell you it ain't 15 degrees if that 60 T is. I tend to agree around +5 degrees positive comparing pictures which should be fine in the slider. I went to the web-site earlier today to try to confirm the angle LR but.. as you state there is no info available at this point due to the dis-continuane.

Even though I never use a 80 T (I use a 60 T on my 12" slider) and 20-24-40 on my 10" TS the price is right for those that are looking for a clean cut and use ply which I really don't. I get an ultra smooth cut with the Infinity Super General which is the same 30 degree side grind as the Freud Fusion. BTW.. I swore I saw the Fusion on Amazon today for $69.95 while trying to find the degree on that 80 T. If so that is also a great price but not necessarily a steal.

[cabinetman]

If you have a blade and not sure about the angle, a straightedge from the center up to the front of a tooth will tell if it's positive or negative. If the tooth leans forward, it's positive, if straight (0 degrees), if it leans back, it's negative.

You could probably determine the angle with a protractor.
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