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  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 22053
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #16
    big difference between rebuilt and refurbished/reconditioned.

    Rebuilt usually refers to automotive or applicance parts. In these worn out parts are disassmbled by aftermarkers and the core parts (usually the casing which is molded or cast and hard to replace) is saved but equipped with new bearings, windings, impellors, seals etc.
    You get a used core and new wear parts. the Wear parts are usually third party, not ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER stuff, which can be iffy and not to original spec.

    Reconditioned/Refurbished refers mostly to complete products, tools, appliances, electronics, etc rather than parts. These are units returned to the retailer for some reason and by law, have to be returned to the manufacturer (or sold as open box).

    The units returned to the manufacturer are tested to spec and any missing stuff (accessories) replaced. sometimes new, non specific packaging will be used. Since the reason for many returns, particularly on electronics is buyers change of mind, inability to use the product, lack of suitability, etc. rather than outright failure or defect, many of these are as good as new. Defective items, if any, are repaired with factory parts.
    Scuffs and minor scratches, some use, may be parts of the equation. Warranties vary from same as new to limited.
    Anyway, they're usually priced accordingly.
    Sometimes they are sold directly by the manufacturer, website or outlet store, sometimes through their normal distributors and sometimes by third party specialty distributors.

    Are they more likely to fail? I don't know of any statistics on this, my experience is no.
    Last edited by LCHIEN; 07-14-2008, 01:42 PM.
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    • Knottscott
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2004
      • 3815
      • Rochester, NY.
      • 2008 Shop Fox W1677

      #17
      I grabbed the fixed base Hitachi M12VC refurb from RCS to replace my Bosch 1617 for handuse. It's a great router for the money, was like new, and RCS handled my questions satisfactorily. The dual base kit is well within your range. They also have the Freud FT1700 for ~ $150....the FT1700 is more condusive to table mounting because of it's outstanding above table features.
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      • Bill in Buena Park
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2007
        • 1867
        • Buena Park, CA
        • CM 21829

        #18
        Originally posted by dbhost
        I see a LOT of the PC 69x series routers. I have no clue what the differences among them are...

        ...I need something that can spin the big shank bits mounted in a table, where I can adjust height / depth of cut etc...And I am trying my hand at raised panels door construction... Whatever router I pick up should be mountable to the accessory router table...the router table section may or may not end up as part of the finished product...
        DBHOST - You may not be aware that some panel raisers will not fit in the accessory table - the opening is not big enough. Ran into this problem when I bought some frame & panel door sets to run in my accessory-table-mounted Cman 17542 (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...inate+Trimmers), so I built a dedicated table using a large opening router plate (Jessem) - as shown here - http://www.bt3central.com/showthread...+table+project.

        BTW, the Cman 17542 is now mounted in my dedicated table, and working like a champ. Did a nice job on my panels for this project - http://www.bt3central.com/showthread...9+chest&page=2.

        I also own other Cman routers, but would consider putting my Skil 1825 (fixed base) in the table; plunge base on it isn't the greatest, but as an economy table-mount with 2.25hp with 1/2 collet, it'll perform.
        Last edited by Bill in Buena Park; 07-14-2008, 02:34 PM.
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        • dbhost
          Slow and steady
          • Apr 2008
          • 9551
          • League City, Texas
          • Ryobi BT3100

          #19
          I've thought about that Skil 1825 with the fixed base. I have seen pretty mixed reviews about it. Is it a pretty standard router? Any real problems with it?
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          • Popeye
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2003
            • 1848
            • Woodbine, Ga
            • Grizzly 1023SL

            #20
            Everyone has their opinions on this but for my money it's the Milwaukee 5615 body grip. I've used my for 5 years both in the table handheld. Home Depot is showing it at $144 right now on their website. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...ctId=100609391 Pat
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            • Bill in Buena Park
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 1867
              • Buena Park, CA
              • CM 21829

              #21
              Originally posted by dbhost
              I've thought about that Skil 1825 with the fixed base. I have seen pretty mixed reviews about it. Is it a pretty standard router? Any real problems with it?
              No real problems so far; its a bit bulky (read "tank") for non-table use - but serviceable - and I had to adjust the set-screw on the base-clamp to ensure a tight fit of the base to the motor. Its not a "classy" tool, but has good power. I didn't use it in my table because I wanted under-table DC, and the 17542 and 17543 have a much better design for that. If you have fence-mounted DC, it should work just fine. I did pick up the generic inlay accessories (base-plate and brash bushing set) from Woodcraft for it, and they fit fine.
              Bill in Buena Park

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              • rjwaldren
                Established Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 368
                • Fresno, CA

                #22
                My local Ace Hardware has the PC693 for $149 regular price, I was shocked, Ace isn't known around here for great prices.

                I'm very happy with the Hitachi KM12vc kit. After shipping the NEW Amazon price is only $3 more than the recon at reconditionedsales.com

                If you don't care about the kit reconditionedsales.com has the fixed base M12VC for $59+s/h. That's a good deal, but the kit from amazon has the best bang/buck ratio.

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                • jonmulzer
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 946
                  • Indianapolis, IN

                  #23
                  I like the new Craftsmans also, since someone else mentioned it and jogged my memory. An acquaintance has one and it seems very well built, handles well and is a great bargain. Another plus for the Hitachi though is that it is the quietest router I have ever owned. Great router and the one I prefer in my shop, even though I also have a Bosch 1617EVSPK. I bought it because I found it on clearance for $90 and the only time I get it out is when I need two routers set up at the same time.

                  If you can stretch your dollars a little farther, the Tritons are great table routers and when I finally get around to building a new router table a Triton is going into it.
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