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  • p8ntblr
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 921
    • So Cal
    • Craftsman 22114

    Strange power cord

    I recently got a RAS from a garage sale. I believe it's the older version of the RAS below (see link). It was currently wired for 220 so I opened up the motor cover and switched it to 115 (don't have 220 in the garage yet). When I went the plug it in I was suprised by the cord. It looks like the prongs have been turned 90 degrees. Where do they use these cords? Can I just replaced with a standard plug? Will any do, or should I be looking for something specific. Planning on heading to borg or lowes tomorrow.

    http://www.amazon.com/Delta-33-890-1.../dp/B00002234Z
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    -Paul
  • poolhound
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 3195
    • Phoenix, AZ
    • BT3100

    #2
    That looks like a 220V plug. assuming the RAS can operate on 110v (as you say you have switched it I assume it can) then you can just rewire it with a regular plug. make sure you use a grounded 3 prong.

    Have you got or can you find a manual for the RAS as it should tell you how to adapt for 110v
    Jon

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    • Tom Slick
      Veteran Member
      • May 2005
      • 2913
      • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
      • sears BT3 clone

      #3
      That's a NEMA 6-15P which means its a 250v 15a plug
      Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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      • p8ntblr
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 921
        • So Cal
        • Craftsman 22114

        #4
        Originally posted by poolhound
        That looks like a 220V plug. assuming the RAS can operate on 110v (as you say you have switched it I assume it can) then you can just rewire it with a regular plug. make sure you use a grounded 3 prong.

        Have you got or can you find a manual for the RAS as it should tell you how to adapt for 110v

        The motor has a circuit diagram to show wiring for both 110V and 220. Just a matter of changing 2 wires.
        -Paul

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        • p8ntblr
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 921
          • So Cal
          • Craftsman 22114

          #5
          Originally posted by Tom Slick
          That's a NEMA 6-15P which means its a 250v 15a plug

          So I assume I can just change it to a standard 15A plug Tom? Btw, it's going to a dedicated 20A breaker if that makes a diff.
          Last edited by p8ntblr; 05-03-2008, 09:39 PM.
          -Paul

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          • Tom Slick
            Veteran Member
            • May 2005
            • 2913
            • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
            • sears BT3 clone

            #6
            just as pool hound said, since it can be rewired for 110v then you can replace it but it could use more then 15a on 110v, you'll have to look at the data plate. they usually say something like;
            voltage: 220/110
            amperage: 15/20

            technically
            if it does use 15a-20a then you should use a NEMA 5-20P plug which is a 110v 20a plug that has just one terminal sideways but nobody ever seems to. A NEMA 5-15P is the standard 110v 15a plug that everyone uses on 110v stuff.
            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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            • LCHIEN
              Internet Fact Checker
              • Dec 2002
              • 21098
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              yup, that's a plug used for 220V up to 15Amps.
              Make sure the RAS uses less than 15A max at 120V and if so then you can put a standard parallel prong 120V plug on it.
              Last edited by LCHIEN; 05-04-2008, 08:01 AM.
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
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              • reddog552
                Established Member
                • Dec 2006
                • 245
                • Belleville Il.
                • Bt3000

                #8
                Change the plug?

                I would not change the plug.Get a receptacle to match your plug as long as you have a circut rated for 20 amps.
                The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low cost is forgotten!

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                • LCHIEN
                  Internet Fact Checker
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 21098
                  • Katy, TX, USA.
                  • BT3000 vintage 1999

                  #9
                  Originally posted by reddog552
                  I would not change the plug.Get a receptacle to match your plug as long as you have a circut rated for 20 amps.

                  Its a very poor practice of leaving inappropriate plugs on equipment and outlets configured for something else. People who know and understand electrical systems would see the plug and outlet designated by a national standard as being for 220V and assume it was wired for 220. Of course they should really check it first but checking how a saw is wired is not always quick and easy. Those assumptions could lead to personally-dangerous or machine-dangerous situations

                  National Electrical Manufactureres Association (NEMA) has designated and the industry uses, this set of plugs for each specfic voltage application. You should be able to tell by looking what voltage and current range an outlet provides and what voltage and current maximum an appliance or tool needs, from the chart on this page:
                  http://www.nooutage.com/nema_configurations.htm
                  Last edited by LCHIEN; 05-04-2008, 08:07 AM.
                  Loring in Katy, TX USA
                  If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                  BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                  • Roger Ronas
                    Forum Newbie
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 23

                    #10
                    I would change the plug to the voltage your going to use.
                    NEVER leave an incorrect plug on a piece of equipment!
                    Leaving that 220 plug on a 110 maching someone may plug it into 220 "because it fits" and be in for a ride. Not a shocking ride but that RAS would run almost twice as fast and burn up.
                    I did that with a corded drill motor once. Pluged into a 110 plug that was wired 220. It ran like all get out for awhile then I had to buy a new one.

                    Roger

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                    • reddog552
                      Established Member
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 245
                      • Belleville Il.
                      • Bt3000

                      #11
                      rewire Plug?

                      I am an Industrial electrican trained in motor control. Yes the right way would be to change the plug.I would always do this in a commercial-industrial setting..... BUT your in a controled setting,YOU know that this is a dedicated circuit for this equipment.Being that you can make it simple.
                      The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low cost is forgotten!

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                      • LCHIEN
                        Internet Fact Checker
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 21098
                        • Katy, TX, USA.
                        • BT3000 vintage 1999

                        #12
                        Originally posted by reddog552
                        I am an Industrial electrican trained in motor control. Yes the right way would be to change the plug.I would always do this in a commercial-industrial setting..... BUT your in a controled setting,YOU know that this is a dedicated circuit for this equipment.Being that you can make it simple.
                        Well, I guess my perspective is, at some point i will lose interest, and I'll move on or forget, or maybe I will die and go to the great shop in heaven. Then my work will pass on to someone, it may be a stranger or it may be my son or grandson, who knows. Very likely in that case it will be moved to a new location. I don't feel that its fair to surprise them. At least, not for the cost of a $5 plug. And in either case, you have to replace one end or the other, you're not really saving any work or money to do it right.
                        Last edited by LCHIEN; 05-04-2008, 09:43 AM.
                        Loring in Katy, TX USA
                        If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                        BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                        • cabinetman
                          Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 15216
                          • So. Florida
                          • Delta

                          #13
                          A suggestion in reading the amperage off of the motor plate. A 110V/220V motor @ 220V will show half the amps of the motor @ 110V.
                          .

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                          • LCHIEN
                            Internet Fact Checker
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 21098
                            • Katy, TX, USA.
                            • BT3000 vintage 1999

                            #14
                            That's a pretty big beast, a 2 HP 12" RAS
                            From the amazon link you give, if you click on technical details, the saw draws 9.6 Amps at 230V. That means, wired for 120V, it will want to draw up to 19.2 Amps. That doesn't mean it won't run on a 15Amp cicruit, but that it may trip the circuit breaker before it develops full HP during a heavy cut. If you keep the loads low, then you can run it on a 120V, 15A circuit, safely, you just can't get full power from the saw before the breaker trips.

                            Anyway, theoretically, you should be putting this on a 12 ga. wired, 20A 120Vcircuit with a matching 20A breaker..
                            And not using a NEMA 5-15P plug and receptacle, but a NEMA 5-20P with one blade vertical and the other horizontal.
                            Loring in Katy, TX USA
                            If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                            BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                            • Tom Slick
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2005
                              • 2913
                              • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
                              • sears BT3 clone

                              #15
                              Originally posted by reddog552
                              I am an Industrial electrican trained in motor control. Yes the right way would be to change the plug.I would always do this in a commercial-industrial setting..... BUT your in a controled setting,YOU know that this is a dedicated circuit for this equipment.Being that you can make it simple.
                              buying and wiring the NEMA 6-15R receptacle would take more time and cost more then just replacing the plug with the proper one. it would certainly not be more simple.
                              Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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