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  • crokett
    The Full Monte
    • Jan 2003
    • 10627
    • Mebane, NC, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    An Interesting Wiring Job

    The condo we are at this week belongs to a client of my wife's. In the interests of being able to use it in future - we've been here 2 or 3 times already, I asked her client if there was anything we could do while we were here. She gave me a ceiling fan and some sconce lights to replace what is on their screened porch. I was replacing the sconce lights yesterday and one of them was wired up thusly: The leads from the lights were twisted around the hot and neutral and plastic grocery bag was knotted around the bare wiring as an insulator. I left the breaker off and will go get some wire nuts today.
    David

    The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.
  • BobSch
    • Aug 2004
    • 4385
    • Minneapolis, MN, USA.
    • BT3100

    #2
    And people wonder why the fire started.
    Bob

    Bad decisions make good stories.

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    • Richard in Smithville
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 3014
      • On the TARDIS
      • BT 3100

      #3
      Sounds like some of the work I've had to fix in my mum's place.( Converted cottage)
      From the "deep south" part of Canada

      Richard in Smithville

      http://richardspensandthings.blogspot.com/

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      • Santa Clarita Len
        Established Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 166
        • Santa Clarita Calif.
        • Bt3000 and Dewalt radial arm saw

        #4
        Originally posted by crokett
        The condo we are at this week belongs to a client of my wife's. In the interests of being able to use it in future - we've been here 2 or 3 times already, I asked her client if there was anything we could do while we were here. She gave me a ceiling fan and some sconce lights to replace what is on their screened porch. I was replacing the sconce lights yesterday and one of them was wired up thusly: The leads from the lights were twisted around the hot and neutral and plastic grocery bag was knotted around the bare wiring as an insulator. I left the breaker off and will go get some wire nuts today.
        "Heaven protect us from the gifted amateur".

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        • dbhost
          Slow and steady
          • Apr 2008
          • 9238
          • League City, Texas
          • Ryobi BT3100

          #5
          I already had a headache when I read that. That just made it hurt worse...
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          • LCHIEN
            Internet Fact Checker
            • Dec 2002
            • 21032
            • Katy, TX, USA.
            • BT3000 vintage 1999

            #6
            Originally posted by crokett
            ... I left the breaker off and will go get some wire nuts today.
            good move.
            Loring in Katy, TX USA
            If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
            BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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            • Uncle Cracker
              The Full Monte
              • May 2007
              • 7091
              • Sunshine State
              • BT3000

              #7
              Having seen even wire nuts turned into cinders from heated-up splices, I can only imagine how quick that grocery bag would have gone up...

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              • Mr__Bill
                Veteran Member
                • May 2007
                • 2096
                • Tacoma, WA
                • BT3000

                #8
                I can't help but wonder how long until you start looking at every connection, just to satisfy your own curiosity/safety.

                now go enjoy the beach...

                Bill

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                • chopnhack
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3779
                  • Florida
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                  #9
                  omg....poof
                  I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

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                  • Ed62
                    The Full Monte
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6021
                    • NW Indiana
                    • BT3K

                    #10
                    Doesn't a plastic grocery bag meet code specs?

                    Ed
                    Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

                    For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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                    • chopnhack
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 3779
                      • Florida
                      • Ryobi BT3100

                      #11
                      Ed, only in Mumbai (according to these photos, anything goes)

                      I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

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                      • Pappy
                        The Full Monte
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 10453
                        • San Marcos, TX, USA.
                        • BT3000 (x2)

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ed62
                        Doesn't a plastic grocery bag meet code specs?

                        Ed
                        After all, the wire nuts are just plastic, too...
                        Don, aka Pappy,

                        Wise men talk because they have something to say,
                        Fools because they have to say something.
                        Plato

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                        • Ed62
                          The Full Monte
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 6021
                          • NW Indiana
                          • BT3K

                          #13
                          Originally posted by chopnhack
                          Ed, only in Mumbai (according to these photos, anything goes)
                          LOL. Reminds me of "Christmas Story".

                          Originally posted by Pappy
                          After all, the wire nuts are just plastic, too...
                          Kind of hard to argue with logic.

                          Ed
                          Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

                          For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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                          • just started
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 642
                            • suburban Philly

                            #14
                            Ask them who put that light in, and what else that genius worked on so you have an idea where to start checking.

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                            • crokett
                              The Full Monte
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 10627
                              • Mebane, NC, USA.
                              • Ryobi BT3000

                              #15
                              The rest of the condo seems to be wired correctly. I went around yesterday and pulled some random switch plates and outlet covers off. I also checked one or two light fixtures and they were ok. The ceiling fan I did replace on the patio was also wired correctly. I think what happened was when the sconce light was installed, the wire nuts it came with weren't big enough. The ones that came with the new light weren't. So whoever did it used the plastic bag.
                              David

                              The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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