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  • Raymonator
    Established Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 158
    • Near Ottawa Ontario
    • Ryobi BT3100

    #1

    Just finished setting it up

    Well, it was a rainy day, so I headed out to my garage and decided to tinker with putting a few pieces of my new 3100 together. The more I worked at it, the more time flew by and before I knew it, the whole thing was set up.
    Now, the only real thing I had difficulty adjusting was the riving knife, which in order to line it up with the center of the blade as indicated, I had to place the shims 3 on one side and 1 on the other side of the riving knife. (which isn't what the dvd showed, which was a 2 and 2 split) I kept the riving knife about 1/8" from the blade all around. I adjusted the front rail to read accurately with the fence and did a few test cuts to make sure everything was ok. I must admit, being used to my old, I mean real old Craftmaster table saw, I'm having a hard time getting accustomed to the blade guard of the 3100. To me it makes seeing the line on the piece of wood I'm working on almost impossible. Another problem I see with the guard and kick back teeth is how I will be able to shave let's say 1/8" off a board when ripping etc. The arms on each side of the guard make it impossible to get any closer than about 5/8" from the blade. What do you seasoned bt31** guys do for such a task ?
    I really have to compliment Ryobi for doing an excellent job on packaging this TS. Everything was so well wrapped and the nuts and bolts were even oiled.
    The directions were fairly simple (yep, even for stupid ole me)
    Although I'm pretty proud of the way I set it up and everything seems fine, I still have my doubts about that riving knife/blade guard set-up. I did my best to align the riving knife with the center of the blade, but something doesn't feel right. I noticed the anti kick back teeth are already leaving a scratch at the rear of the throat plate everytime it goes up or down, which to me isn't normal. Maybe I'll take a look and the dvd again and catch something I didn't do properly. I won't be cutting anymore lumber on it until I know for sure it's safe to go forward.
    Anyway, hope it doesn't sound like I'm complaing, because I'm not, in fact, so far, I'm really impressed with how this machine is put together (except the blade guard etc). If anybody has some suggestions, I'm all ears.
    Thanks for hearing me out.
    Ray
    Measure twice....cut once.
    Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length (Robert Frost)
  • JR
    The Full Monte
    • Feb 2004
    • 5636
    • Eugene, OR
    • BT3000

    #2
    Ray,

    You'll get those marks on the throat plate. Not much you can do about it. Some people take the pauls off entirely, some file 'em down a bit.

    Yep, you can't make very narrow cuts with stock blade guard on. That's one of the reasons to go with a Shark Guard (which I covet, but haven't yet budgeted). It breaks down to just a splitter without having to dismount everything from the saw.

    1/8" clearance for the blade is good. It's not unusual to have to split the shims up one way or the the other to get it centered. That's why they pack a bunch of them.

    Good Luck,
    JR
    JR

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    • bigsteel15
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 1079
      • Edmonton, AB
      • Ryobi BT3100

      #3
      I don't think you'll get any arguement here about the guard and knife set-up.
      A lot of us have opted for the Shark-Guard.
      http://www.leestyron.com/
      Or T-nuts.com sells them and you could combine with an order of t-nuts...you will definitely need some eventually and Jeff has put packages together just for us BT3 guys.
      Brian

      Welcome to the school of life
      Where corporal punishment is alive and well.

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      • Popeye
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2003
        • 1848
        • Woodbine, Ga
        • Grizzly 1023SL

        #4
        I tossed the whole guard and cut down the riving knife. Pat
        Woodworking is therapy.....some of us need more therapy than others. <ZERO>

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        • Ken Massingale
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2002
          • 3862
          • Liberty, SC, USA.
          • Ridgid TS3650

          #5
          Originally posted by Popeye
          I tossed the whole guard and cut down the riving knife. Pat
          Exactly what I did, Pat.
          ken

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          • Raymonator
            Established Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 158
            • Near Ottawa Ontario
            • Ryobi BT3100

            #6
            Glad to hear I'm not alone on this. How do I toss the blade guard yet keep the paws (for safety) Any suggestions there ? I'll eventually have to get the Shark set up I guess.
            Thanks
            Measure twice....cut once.
            Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length (Robert Frost)

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            • LCHIEN
              Super Moderator
              • Dec 2002
              • 22006
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              Originally posted by Raymonator
              Glad to hear I'm not alone on this. How do I toss the blade guard yet keep the paws (for safety) Any suggestions there ? I'll eventually have to get the Shark set up I guess.
              Thanks
              Some poeple think the pawls (and that's the first correct spelling in this thread!) are not required, they just take them off.

              Some info in the FAQ, if you've not read it.

              I also use an "L" shaped fence, the high side clamped against the rip fence and the low side used to guide thin pieces close to the guard/blade.
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
              BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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              • Raymonator
                Established Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 158
                • Near Ottawa Ontario
                • Ryobi BT3100

                #8
                Originally posted by LCHIEN
                Some poeple think the pawls (and that's the first correct spelling in this thread!) are not required, they just take them off.

                Some info in the FAQ, if you've not read it.

                I also use an "L" shaped fence, the high side clamped against the rip fence and the low side used to guide thin pieces close to the guard/blade.
                Sorry for the spelling error, some people just can't spell
                Aren't the pawls there to prevent injury in case of kick back ? If removed, couldn't that projectile become lethal ?
                Personally, it's the blade guard that I have trouble getting use to.
                I have no idea what an L shaped fence looks like or how it operates.
                Last edited by Raymonator; 05-06-2006, 08:25 PM.
                Measure twice....cut once.
                Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length (Robert Frost)

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                • Salty
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 690
                  • Akron, Ohio

                  #9
                  You just couldn't stand it any longer and just had to put it together. Now look what you've done! Nothing else will get done for a while. hehe
                  I took some advice from this forum and put plasti-dip on the pawls. Works great and if it kicks back then I'll put some more on.
                  Also, I use a 1/4" piece of masonite and made a ZCTP. I may never use the stock plate again.
                  And BTW, I had to make an additional shim to get the riving knife on mine to line up. All 5 are on one side.
                  Why doesn't the word 'planing' show up in my computer spell check?

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                  • Raymonator
                    Established Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 158
                    • Near Ottawa Ontario
                    • Ryobi BT3100

                    #10
                    LOL, yep, you're right Salty, it was truly driving me nuts having it just sit in the box like that. I never heard of "Plasti-Dip" before, what is it and I assume it's to take the sharpness away from the pawls ?
                    Why did you replace the OEM throat plate with one made out of masonite ? My throat plate only has 1 screw to keep it in place. Did you have to purchase anymore screws to keep your masonite throat plate in place. What did you use to ad a 6th shim to your riving knife ?
                    I'm thinking of removing all of that stuff, if I can just figure out how it's done. I like the idea of keeping the riving knife, but hate the rest of the set up.
                    Am wondering if I should consider the Shark 8.0 guard and riving knife
                    See, look at all the questions now I have for you guys LOL. Tis' only the beginning I'm sure
                    Thanks in advance,
                    Ray
                    Measure twice....cut once.
                    Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length (Robert Frost)

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                    • wardprobst
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 681
                      • Wichita Falls, TX, USA.
                      • Craftsman 22811

                      #11
                      Real satisfied with the Shark Guard, highly recommend it. I believe the L shaped fence Loren speaks of is two pieces of wood joined perpendicularly, the vertical goes up against the fence, the horizontal acts as an auxiallary fence to allow clearance for thin rips.
                      HTH,
                      Dale
                      www.wardprobst.com

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                      • Ken Weaver
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 2417
                        • Clemson, SC, USA
                        • Rigid TS3650

                        #12
                        Ray -
                        You made the right choice on the saw, now the next best money you'll spend is for the shark guard. I'm serious, after the saw it was the best I spent. You can actually see the cut line and in my mind that makes me safer. You won't regret it.
                        Ken Weaver
                        Clemson, SC

                        "A mistake is absolute proof that someone tried to do something!

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                        • scmhogg
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 1839
                          • Simi Valley, CA, USA.
                          • BT3000

                          #13
                          Who cares that the Shark Guard works so well?? It's enough that it looks SOOO COOL!

                          Steve
                          I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. Bertrand Russell

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                          • Raymonator
                            Established Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 158
                            • Near Ottawa Ontario
                            • Ryobi BT3100

                            #14
                            If I replace for the shark guide, does it come with the riving knife and pawls as well ? I saw somewhere where I could purchase it, but now of course I can't find it. Is there anything I should know about the Shark guard for my 3100 or is it a guard that fits all 3000 and 3100 saws ? Seems to me I read that there is an improved 8.0 version that is now out. Is it very difficult to remove the old one and install the Shark ? How much should I pay etc ?

                            I just can't believe how smooth this saw cuts, it's just like someone sanded the edge of the cut. I must have done an ok job setting it up, as the cuts all seem to be bang on.
                            The only thing that bothers me though is that I have about 4 small washers and 2 larger washers left. I rechecked everything, and I'm "pretty sure" I did everything ok. Is it normal to have a few washers left over ?
                            I'm hoping Ryobi figured guys like me just might drop a few and not find them and therefore added a few extra just in case. Then again, maybe not, which means my saw may have a few washers missing in some very important places.

                            Wardprobst~ I'm still trying to get a mental visual of Loren's L shaped fence, and I'm not any further ahead, but thanks for trying to explain to this idot anyway.
                            Measure twice....cut once.
                            Happiness makes up in height what it lacks in length (Robert Frost)

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                            • Rslaugh
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 609
                              • Punta Gorda, FL, USA.
                              • None right now

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Raymonator
                              <snip>...Aren't the pawls there to prevent injury in case of kick back ? If removed, couldn't that projectile become lethal ?... <snip>
                              Yes the pawls are an anti-kickback device. As delivered by Ryobi they perform that function pretty well but they also leave marks on a lot of woods. You can avoid kickback fairly easily by being careful to not cause it in the first place and just in case - don't stand directly behind the workpiece. It's a case of weighing the risk of kickback against marring your workpiece. If you find those pawls occasionally preventing a kickback then I'd leave them on for now.
                              Rick
                              IG: @rslaugh_photography
                              A sailor travels to many lands, Any place he pleases
                              And he always remembers to wash his hands, So's he don't gets no diseases
                              ~PeeWee Herman~

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