Comment Please

[Crockett]

Hello folks,
I while back I had posted about a web site I am working on about picture frame making. Many thanks to those of you have reached out to me about it and gave me some solid feedback.

I am posting a link tonight to a page there where I am asking people about their favorite method or process for cutting miter joints. Most people are afraid to be the 1st one to leave a comment, so not many people comment at all.

If you have some time to take a look at it and have some thoughts, I know you guys and gals are not shy It may just help some of the other people who read and leave to feel more comfortable about commenting.

I would also be interested in your methods and it certainly would help others who use the site to learn a few things. If you have feedback I would welcome that also either there at the site or through this forum or PM. The link to it is here:



Thanks!!
Al

[cork58]

I made a very good long comment on your blog and when I went to post it, it ask how. I don't have any of the options listed. Nope no facebook, yahoo, hotmail or whatever the last one was. Sorry, I couldn't post it.

[chopnhack]

Hey Al, I was just perusing your site a few days ago as the mrs' wanted some artwork that didn't come with a frame and so I was asked to frame it!

I have used the scms method before, but find that there is too much "slop" or margin of error with the device for air tight joinery. I haven't done it yet, but believe that I will be far more satisfied with a 45 deg. sled. Naturally the complementing angle will compensate for any deviations from exactly 45 degrees. We shall see!!

On another note, have you ever tried ordering premade molding from any of the online molding wholesalers? Any leads, the mrs. wants these sooner than later, and I have not established a router table. Besides, I think she wants fancier than I can produce...

[Crockett]

Cork,
sorry for the aggravation! I appreciate you trying. That may be my first lesson on it - I need an option that doesn't connect through e-mail or facebook.

Chop - here is a link to a company that I did some research on and seem to be pretty good. They are friendly and have responded quickly to me.

www.profileframemoulding.com


They sell wholesale mostly, but do have a price list for small orders which they sent me. It seems very reasonable. If you send me an e-mail addy by PM, I can send you the list if you want it.

I agree with you that a SCMS would make it hard on air tight miters. I am a fanatic about eliminating as many movements as possible during the process. Because of that I only use a "stationary" miter saw.

take care
Al

[chopnhack]

I have the list from that site. The reply was quick from them. I found it maddeningly insane to try and match up their pics to the price list!!

And the website has no search feature for the part #'s

[Pappy]

I'm in the same boat as Cork. No way to post through the available options. If I sent comments to you by email, could you add them as a comment to the page?

[cabinetman]

I get good miters with a CMS.

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[Crockett]

Thanks for trying/offering Don! It seems that I have to find a better tool to allow comments.

The way it is set up now is to prevent spammers and other known internet bad guys from messing around. Unfortunately, it seems to prevent a lot of peole who are good guys but don't use one of those e-mail carriers or facebook.

All part of the learning curve, I guess... I will find a better way to do it.

Chop - I don't know if you've ever looked on e-bay but there are a bunch of moldings available there.


have a great weekend!
Al

[chopnhack]

Thanks for the tip Al. I am having a hard time coming up with an economical solution because I need a deep rabbet and a fairly wide frame, 3" or better with nearly 1" rabbet. I may end up making the stock!

[scmhogg]

I have Rockler's knock-off of Pootatuck's Lion Trimmer. It's a guillotine type cutter. You, roughly cut your 45 degree, or other, angle. Then you trim off paper thin shavings to your line. The heavy cutter, not only cuts perfect 45's, but leaves a mirror smooth gluing surface.

[Crockett]

That's sounds like a very tall order to find Chop! You may have to make your own. Another idea to dress it up more, since you don't have a router table ready to go is to the decorative molding that the box stores sell, like rope molding or dental molding. Glue it on to your rails before cutting to final size.

Here is a pic from one I made a long time go with this method.


Scmhogg - that's a pretty nice tool! Do you use it a lot? Does it have a way to create repeatable cuts (so the length of the rails are identical)? I may have to look more into getting one of these....

[chopnhack]

Thanks Al, I will stop by the Borg and buy some 1' sections and see what combinations I can make. This of course will mean a multistep paint and glaze to make momma happy, lol. Thanks again for the advice! :-)

[Pappy]

I have Rockler's knock-off of Pootatuck's Lion Trimmer. It's a guillotine type cutter. You, roughly cut your 45 degree, or other, angle. Then you trim off paper thin shavings to your line. The heavy cutter, not only cuts perfect 45's, but leaves a mirror smooth gluing surface.

I have an original Lion Trimmer that needs restoration. I haven't messed with it because one of the knives is damaged and I have lost the auctions on the few knives I have seen on e-bay. I have a neighbor that makes custom knives for a living. I am going to take the knives to him and see if he can reproduce them.

[scmhogg]

Scmhogg - that's a pretty nice tool! Do you use it a lot? Does it have a way to create repeatable cuts (so the length of the rails are identical)? I may have to look more into getting one of these....

Al,
I haven't used it as much as I should. It was hanging from the wall at about 10' high. And, it's very heavy.

When I was making my "bow box" http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=57977, I needed it to sneak up on a perfect fit. It worked perfectly. The cut surfaces were glass smooth.

Now that I have it down I use it for trimming all angles. I just used it on two inch thick rosewood, and the surface looks polished.

Steve

[capncarl]

I also struck out trying to use my Hitachi scms. No obvious wear or movements but there is no way to truely zero the saw. When I finally got a good 45 the lengths would be different and before the frame was finished one would be too short. I built a 45 guide for the disk on the belt / disk sander that worked better and was able to create a frame with no gaps, but it took many tries to get all the sides the correct length. If the frames are to be painted, caulking is your best friend.
capncarl