Possible new Calif. Legislation aimed @ Tablesaws

[tommyt654]

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...introduced.pdf , I'd be willing to bet that someone whose name will remain anonymous and a certain company have lobbied hard for this bill's passage. I think its not a bad bill, but considering the wording it would lead currently to only 1 saws usage and sale,clearly a violation of freedom of choice. A right I happen to like., Please refrain from using this as a debate on you know who and what and be better suited towards seeing that similiar legislation if brought up in your state gets a yea or nay vote in your local legislature. Thanks

Tommyt

[thrytis]

(c) “Table saw” means a saw that is designed primarily for
cutting wood with a generally planar, circular blade having teeth
around its periphery and having a nominal diameter of 12 inches
or less, where the table saw includes a table top for supporting a
work piece, and where at least a portion of the blade extends above
the table top to cut a work piece on the table top. Table saws vary
in price, size, weight, motors, drive systems, stands, housings, and
other features. Common names of various types of table saws
include, but are not limited to, bench saws, bench top saws,
contractor saws, hybrid saws, and cabinet saws.

That sounds like a pretty vague definition of a table saw. Wouldn't a miter saw or RAS qualify, since it has a table and the blade extends above the table top?

Are we going to start seeing 13" table saws?

[cabinetman]

Seems like this has been discussed before. I'm betting it won't pass. If it does and you need a new saw...just buy one larger than 12", or go for one with that technology. That's not such a bad idea either.

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[tommyt654]

Seems to me Williams is just enother BPP(back pocket p---------n, Something we here in Ga. can't seem to get away from as a bill that was designed to regulate the amounts lobbyist could give to our p---------s was tabled by out legislature, hopefully folks in Calif. will do the same with this bill as its has seemed in the past when these type of bills are introduced into legislation there the rest of the country seems to follow suit. Not trying to turn this into a p------l debate, just sayin

[tommyt654]

Perhaps I should delete this as its gonna get to p------l

[Cochese]

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[pelligrini]

Wow... at least they stipulated "new" instead of all. I bet the tool sellers on the Nevada border will get some increased business in 2015 if it passes. Do online sales constitute a sale in that state?

thrytis, The definition seems pretty clear cut to me, meaning only table saws. The table supports a workpiece and at least a portion of the blade extends above that top. Extends is the operative word.

[TB Roye]

The People in Northern CA can go to the Reno area and the people in So Cal can go to Arizona or Nevada. Oregon might be another choice. But wait CA has Agriculture Check Points on the Border so they might start checking for Table saw smuglers. Calif is going crazy with all the nuts in the Ligislature. To me this sounds like our friend found a friend to push his agenda and product. My bet living in Sacramento most my life is it will pass and will become law this year and more business will move out of State. Then CALOSHA will have something more to do. That is the reality of living in California.

Tom

[pelligrini]

They'd still need to pay the 'use tax' if they bought it out of state.
http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub112.pdf

[JimD]

There's a reason California is the land of the fruits and nuts.

[TB Roye]

The "USE Tax" is the biggest joke in captivity. What will happen is what ever Agency/Department that is in charge of this law will add a fee on to the Saw to cover various "Educational Costs" for operating the saw or some such fee. This is how various State entities operate without having to have a big part of their budget be part of the General Fund. There are oil and tire disposal fees, fees e-waste among the many. I worked for the State of CA for 38 years and have a pretty good idea how things works. One of the reasons I retired when I did was all the regulations made it very difficult to do my simple job of equipping Highway Patrol Vehicles and I wasn't even management. They will sneak it through on the back of another bill or gut another bill and attached it to the title of the gutted bill and pass it that way. Like it or not this is politics in California. Also any fines for breaking these type of law go to that Agency/Department and become part of thier budget. Not the fines for DUI or Speeding but the regulatory agency fines. The device is a good idea but the cost will put the cost of a good new saw out of the reach of the people like us. I am also sure the device specified will be the one we all know about even if there is cheaper one available.

Tom

[LCHIEN]

i read the linked proposed law. My observations:

1. Table saws are apparently listed in the same category with infant cribs and toys as dangerous items, to whit: Existing law prohibits the sale of various types of products that are
determined to be unsafe for the public, including, among others,
specified bunk beds, infant cribs, and toys. Existing state regulations
require certain types of table saws to be guarded by a hood and to
contain various safety features to prevent injury.

2. The wording practically mandates you know who's technology as "active mitigation" that detects contact with persons and stops the saw before making more than 1/8" cut into this person. I can definately see his lobby-ests at work. If this passes there will only be one brand of table saw legally sold in the state of Cal.

[Shep]

I'm wondering that if it passes in California, like autos and emission standards, so goes the rest of the nation.

[TB Roye]

That's my point. Knowing how things work the specs. will be written exclude any other safety device, only one will be approved. Saw it many times during my employment. When the law is passed the specs. that will written by the Agency in charge will make it to expensive for any other safety device to be developed and if they are it will be tied up in Court by you know who. That is how it works in CA. We will have different brands of saw like now but there maybe fewer. Grizzely won't be selling saws in CA, unless you go up to Washington and buy it there and transport it your self. Then you run the risk of being caught by the Saw Police at the border. Retro fitting of Commercial/Industrial saws will be mandatory in time, probably when the bill is finalized and passed

Tom

[tommyt654]

I'm gathering from what I hear its enough to tick off a lot of folks, not just here but elsewhere as well. I would place a call to my local politico ambassador and get him a headsup that any bills like this show up on the floor in your state and gets passed he's out the door. Problem is with the Insurance companys probabaly will try to mandate this as well, another BPParty business in the works with local lobbyist.They are trying to exclude us of our freedom of choice. What we should all just do is start a association nationally like the NRA has and begin letting our reps know we have not only voting power,but buying power as well and let our voice be heard over these greedy industrialist and nonsense corporations that are jeopardising out right to choice. How's The National Woodworkers & Artisans Association sound