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  • L. D. Jeffries
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 747
    • Russell, NY, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3000

    #1

    I am wondering?

    Just got done cutting down to size some birch plywood using my skill saw and got wondering about this: chop saws; table saws; saber saws; band saws all cut with the blade cutting from the top of the material down. You don't have to stop and make sure that the good side of the stuff is facing up so you don't ruin the face of the material. Why do "skill" saws all cut the opposite way; from the bottom up? Seems to me that it would not be a "stop the world" if manufactures made them rotate the same way as other tools. Wadda think?
    RuffSawn
    Nothin' smells better than fresh sawdust!
  • Richard in Smithville
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 3014
    • On the TARDIS
    • BT 3100

    #2
    The blade on stationary tools cut in such a way so that the wood is pulled down onto the table. With a skill saw, the blade turns so that the tool is pulled down to the wood. It's all about safety.
    From the "deep south" part of Canada

    Richard in Smithville

    http://richardspensandthings.blogspot.com/

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    • LCHIEN
      Super Moderator
      • Dec 2002
      • 21987
      • Katy, TX, USA.
      • BT3000 vintage 1999

      #3
      Originally posted by Richard in Smithville
      The blade on stationary tools cut in such a way so that the wood is pulled down onto the table. With a skill saw, the blade turns so that the tool is pulled down to the wood. It's all about safety.
      "Skillsaw" = handheld circular saw.
      Richard in Smithville is right.
      Or another way of saying it is that the wood is pulled up against the plate of the saw, otherwise it would be pushed away and the saw would want to walk off.
      Loring in Katy, TX USA
      If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
      BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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      • cabinetman
        Gone but not Forgotten RIP
        • Jun 2006
        • 15216
        • So. Florida
        • Delta

        #4
        As a point of interest, a hand held circular saw has been called a "skill" saw, as an acceptance of the term for a certain type of saw. In actuality the brand "Skil", is wriien with one "L".

        Another common usage of general terminology is for "circular saw", which could mean a table saw, or a hand held saw like a Skilsaw (brand).

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        • LCHIEN
          Super Moderator
          • Dec 2002
          • 21987
          • Katy, TX, USA.
          • BT3000 vintage 1999

          #5
          actually, I believe Skilsaw is still a trademark of the Skil company for their line of worm drive handheld circular saw. However its often used generically for any handheld circular saw.
          Technically, a table saw is also a circular saw, that's why I specifically refer to handheld circular saws.

          And Skil is now a division of Robert Bosch.
          Loring in Katy, TX USA
          If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
          BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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          • L. D. Jeffries
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 747
            • Russell, NY, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #6
            More on the circular saw idea! Try this on for size: Granted the circular saw pulls the material up towards the saw plate, BUT would not the weight of the saw (and they are pretty heavy) pressing down on the material keep the saw from "tracking" off the cut line if the rotation was "down" on the material? The weight of the saw plus the pressure of your arm might be enough! Shall we debate this more? At least games for the little grey cells.
            RuffSawn
            Nothin' smells better than fresh sawdust!

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            • Bill in Buena Park
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 1867
              • Buena Park, CA
              • CM 21829

              #7
              Originally posted by L. D. Jeffries
              More on the circular saw idea! Try this on for size: Granted the circular saw pulls the material up towards the saw plate, BUT would not the weight of the saw (and they are pretty heavy) pressing down on the material keep the saw from "tracking" off the cut line if the rotation was "down" on the material? The weight of the saw plus the pressure of your arm might be enough! Shall we debate this more? At least games for the little grey cells.
              Probably not enough weight. Take the RAS. Even with its weight and the fact that its fixed to an arm that provides steady pressure, it will try to walk up the workpiece if not carefully controlled.

              And from the OP mention of saber saw - ordinary blades have teeth up, meaning that the cutting happens on the upstroke, pulling the tool to the workpiece. The Bosch style wood blades will cut on both up and down strokes, and you need to keep some downward pressure on the saw to keep it from lifting the tool. Happens with some scroll saw blades too - gotta hold down the workpiece or it will jump around.
              Bill in Buena Park

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              • Pappy
                The Full Monte
                • Dec 2002
                • 10481
                • San Marcos, TX, USA.
                • BT3000 (x2)

                #8
                If the blade rotated forward on a circ saw the blade would want to 'pull' the saw into and through the material. You would have to pull back and down on the saw to keep from climbing out of the cut.
                Don, aka Pappy,

                Wise men talk because they have something to say,
                Fools because they have to say something.
                Plato

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                • LCHIEN
                  Super Moderator
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 21987
                  • Katy, TX, USA.
                  • BT3000 vintage 1999

                  #9
                  weight of the saw is not near enough to hold back 3/4 or 1 HP and the force of the user is unpredictable and unreliable and not near enough either.
                  Ever seen a kickback? That's what happens when a piece of wood and a saw motor get to fighting with loss of restraint on one of them.

                  Debate over.
                  Loring in Katy, TX USA
                  If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                  BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                  • Stytooner
                    Roll Tide RIP Lee
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 4301
                    • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
                    • BT3100

                    #10
                    As general rule, teeth almost always point toward the plate. I said almost because some do not necessarily. Some down cutting or even cutting jig and scroll saw blades. The dual saws come to mind as well. Basically it is a control issue. The best control is had when the motor is applying force to a solid plate.

                    My first table saw was a handheld circular saw that I mounted upside down. It emulated just how a table saw works. It also had a guard.
                    Lee

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                    • L. D. Jeffries
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 747
                      • Russell, NY, USA.
                      • Ryobi BT3000

                      #11
                      Well, enough of that I guess. Just an interesting source of ****-chat along with some serious facts. Thanks people for the interest.
                      RuffSawn
                      Nothin' smells better than fresh sawdust!

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                      • capncarl
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 3752
                        • Leesburg Georgia USA
                        • SawStop CTS

                        #12
                        If the skill saw did cut on the foreward side of the blade rather than the rearward side of the blade the manufacturer would have to put a really short electric cord on the machine so it would unplug itself when it ran across the room.

                        capncarl

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                        • LCHIEN
                          Super Moderator
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 21987
                          • Katy, TX, USA.
                          • BT3000 vintage 1999

                          #13
                          Originally posted by capncarl
                          If the skill saw did cut on the foreward side of the blade rather than the rearward side of the blade the manufacturer would have to put a really short electric cord on the machine so it would unplug itself when it ran across the room.

                          capncarl
                          Good one!!
                          Loring in Katy, TX USA
                          If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                          BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                          • jdon
                            Established Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 401
                            • Snoqualmie, Wash.
                            • BT3100

                            #14
                            One additional side-quibble: the OP included saber saws as "saber saws ... all cut with the blade cutting from the top of the material down".

                            All the saber saw blades I've ever seen cut on the upstroke.- consistent with other comments made that a saw blade cuts toward the plate- a safety measure to keep the saw against the material.

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