Employment Ad

[cabinetman]

Arborist looking for these individuals:

Extensive tree climbing experience.
Can swing and move about branches with one hand.
Not afraid of heights, large birds of prey or snakes.
Experienced with chainsaws and axes.
Familiar with chainsaw maintenance.
Can pull start chainsaws quickly while hanging in a tree.
Experienced with felling trees.
Can figure out fall direction.
Can run fast to get out of the way.
Knowledgeable with wood chipper usage.
Still has fingers, hands and arms.

Call Hector between 5AM and 6AM @ ***-***-****
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[pelligrini]

Still has fingers, hands and arms.
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Uhoh, Hector is setting himself up for a discrimination lawsuit..

[cabinetman]

Uhoh, Hector is setting himself up for a discrimination lawsuit..

I can't find stats on tree trimmers that are paraplegics.
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[pelligrini]

What about paraplegics that used to be tree trimmers.

I was just joking around about the discrimination lawsuit part, but it is not totally invalid. Just because someone was missing a finger doesn't mean they couldn't fill the job.

I deal with a lot of clients who say they will never hire a handicapped employee when I bring up the need to make their buildings accessible. I always tell them to be careful about saying things like that, there were laws written specifically to deal with those sentiments. Recently we had one client doing a gentleman's club (titty bar) and the draftsman put 'for non-handicapped employees only' on the plans in a second floor dressing area. This was at the owners request as he didn't want to provide accessible access to that level (spring for an elevator). I had the draftsman remove the text..

[cabinetman]

What about paraplegics that used to be tree trimmers.

I was just joking around about the discrimination lawsuit part, but it is not totally invalid. Just because someone was missing a finger doesn't mean they couldn't fill the job.

It's not discrimination if the position would put the individual or other people at risk. Of course, it's hard to determine if mental handicaps would fall into that classification.
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[pelligrini]

If pullstarting a chansaw in a tree and swinging with one hand is necessary I think a mental handicap would be a prerequisite.

[Kristofor]

I thought you could probably come up with a BFOQ for a tree trimmer to have both hands, but then I remembered Ash in Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness so maybe not...

The employment law seminar/training I am required to sit through every year are big on describing what needs to be done, not what attributes people need to have to do it.

If we make the assumptions we might be liable, if we simply state what needs to be done and let people self-eliminate if they cannot do the work we're in a more defensible position or so we're told. If someone with their leg lopped off had a Super Monkey-Man 2000 artificial tail prosthesis he may well be qualified for the job etc. (extreme example, but you get the idea).

[pelligrini]

Hmmm, BFOQ, learned something new today.

I had a similar discussion with the draftsman who put that note on the plans of the titty bar. I pointed out that: more than likely, one of the entertainers probably wouldn't have an accessible need (still can't say it though), but what if the cleaning crew has one? a manager? etc.

Sometimes the accessible requirements can be a little silly too. We had another strip club a few years ago where the state reviewers said we had to make all of the stages accessible. Ramps to all of the 3' tall stages would have taken out over half of the floor space. The price for hydraulic lifts was over a 1/3 of the total project cost. I ended up getting a variance stating that if the need for accessible access occurs the owner will provide a portable hydraulic lift.

[BobSch]

As far as lost digit are concerned. How were they lost? If I was looking for someone to trim trees I'd like to know if the applicant lost a finger in a car door or if they chopped it off with an axe.

[LCHIEN]

I was reading that and for a while was picturing a monkey would fulfil the requirements. At least until the part about pull starting a chainsaw one-handed in a tree.

Another question reading the answers above... anyone ever seen a handicapped stripper? How do they do a pole dance?

[Uncle Cracker]

Another question reading the answers above... anyone ever seen a handicapped stripper? How do they do a pole dance?

I knew a stripper with a peg-leg... She was her own pole!

[pelligrini]

I was reading that and for a while was picturing a monkey would fulfil the requirements. At least until the part about pull starting a chainsaw one-handed in a tree.

Another question reading the answers above... anyone ever seen a handicapped stripper? How do they do a pole dance?

Yep, I was thinking monkey at first too.

I can't say that I've seen a handicapped stripper. I told the owner that if the state makes him put in all the lifts he ought to make it a fetish club. He wasn't amused.
(we might be getting into deep water if we take this any further)

[dbhost]

Another question reading the answers above... anyone ever seen a handicapped stripper? How do they do a pole dance?

I have heard of "wheelchair dancing" before, even saw a guy doing something that can be claimed to be dancing in a wheelchair at Seabrook Beach Club before it was torn down (The Clear Lake area is going dry by business failures...)

Somehow the mental image of a girl in a G-string and pasties spinning around a pole in a wheel chair just doesn't do it for me...