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  • cgallery
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 4503
    • Milwaukee, WI
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    #1

    Women are from mars...

    I have worked with my wife, in our own business, since 1988. Basically selling computer hardware, doing service, etc. We're both "techs" and we split the administrative load.

    Besides working with my wife, I have several friends that also work with their wives. One couple owns a commercial printing outfit. Another owns a sign shop. Yet another owns a bakery. My observations (below) are based upon what I've experienced working with my own wife, and watching other husband/wife teams (woops, that sounds a little pornographic ).

    Almost without exception, I have found guys are better at schmoozing than women. Guys develop relationships very quickly, women more slowly and cautiously.

    There are many causes. Society frowns on women that are "too friendly," for one. Being too friendly can be mistaken for being easy. And as long as I'm making wild-assed generalizations, I think women are just naturally more sensitive and introspective than guys.

    In business, women tend to be more focused on the bottom line. Guys will manage relationships believing the bottom line will take care of itself. Women will simply manage the bottom line.

    Even as a young child I discovered I could punch my best friend in the jaw and ten minutes later he'd give me his last stick of gum. Girls didn't make up nearly so fast even when only slighted and not slugged.

    When my parents had dinner guests, my dad was concerned with making sure everyone was having a good time, my mom was worried whether people would like the desert.

    Anyway, from time to time I'll have someone complain to me about my wife (not too often, thankfully). Ironically, most complainers are women, and they typically will say something like, "if your weren't as good as you are, I wouldn't keep coming back. Your wife just rubs me the wrong way."

    Those almost exact words were spoken to me today. Now, this customer was complaining about a telephone conversation she had with my wife earlier in the day. I heard everything my wife said. And this woman was absolutely holding my wife to a different standard than she would have held me.

    I tried calling the woman's attention to differences between herself and her husband (who I also know). I mentioned how outgoing he is and how he has such an easy way with people. I explained how my wife takes 60-80 calls a day, and spending an extra two minutes with each caller would take two more hours each day. She seemed to understand what I was getting at. I asked her if it was fair to characterize a woman that needs to be brief out of necessity with being a you know what.

    She seemed to understand what I was driving at.

    Am I completely nuts? Am I the only person left that refuses to believe that women and men are exactly the same just because the law says they are equal?
  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 22017
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #2
    maybe women are more critical of other women in general at least partially because they just have low expectations for men.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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    • Ed62
      The Full Monte
      • Oct 2006
      • 6021
      • NW Indiana
      • BT3K

      #3
      I do think that women are more critical of women than they are of men. Don't know why, that's just society. It seems like a man can give the customer bad news, and get away with it. Not so easy for a woman.

      That brings to mind something I heard a few days ago. Women feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than in front of other women because women are so critical, while men are just thankful.

      Ed
      Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

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      • Tom Slick
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        • May 2005
        • 2913
        • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
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        #4
        I've made similar observations.
        Guys will have friends they hate but they'll still drink beer with them.

        my wife worries about money but always follows my advice and I don't worry about it.

        My mother-in-law cannot stay seated during dinner, she has to be the waitress and cook, even at my house, when I'm cooking. Then she misses half the conversation and asks you to repeat it. When she visits I kick her out of the kitchen and tell her to relax on her vacation. I'm sure part of that is generational, her daughters are not like that.

        Women seem to be more critical of other women and believe they are being criticized more from them. woman: "did you see that woman, she was wearing...and ...., I'll bet she's a...." man: "what??...I think the tool section is over here".

        same thing in the gym. women are secretly critical of other women then claim their self-consciousness is due to the "men oogleing". I've not ever looked at another guy and secretly negatively critiqued his physique, nor oogled the women.
        Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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        • jackellis
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          • Nov 2003
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          • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
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          #5
          Am I completely nuts? Am I the only person left that refuses to believe that women and men are exactly the same just because the law says they are equal?
          You're entirely sane. Men and women are different. If they weren't, life would be dull.

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          • crokett
            The Full Monte
            • Jan 2003
            • 10627
            • Mebane, NC, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #6
            Originally posted by LCHIEN
            maybe women are more critical of other women in general at least partially because they just have low expectations for men.
            You beat me to it. As for women in business, the single most frustrating thing for me is that for a woman 2+2 may equal 4, it depends on how she is feeling. Sometimes it equals 9 and sometimes it equals 17. For a man, 2+2 is 4. That is immutable and doesn't change depending on whether he is having a bad hair day. Not that a man would, he'd just wear a hat but you get my point. If you don't believe me, observe your wife/girlfriend/significant other for a while. Observe them especially closely on decisions where they know the right thing but don't like it. If you wait long enough, either they mangle reasoning beyond recognition into justifying it so they can feel good about it, or they find a way to justify changing their mind. This happens both with my wife and at work. The facts did not change. What changed was how she felt about it. For a man, the facts are the facts and the right way is the right way.
            David

            The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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            • LCHIEN
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              • Dec 2002
              • 22017
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              Originally posted by Ed62
              ...
              That brings to mind something I heard a few days ago. Women feel more comfortable undressing in front of men than in front of other women because women are so critical, while men are just thankful.

              Ed
              yeah, well they undress in front of othere women to try on clothes but they undress in front of men to, well, er, uh you know....
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
              BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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              • crokett
                The Full Monte
                • Jan 2003
                • 10627
                • Mebane, NC, USA.
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                #8
                Originally posted by LCHIEN
                yeah, well they undress in front of othere women to try on clothes but they undress in front of men to, well, er, uh you know....
                Plus when they undress in front of men, men give them money.
                David

                The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                • LCHIEN
                  Super Moderator
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 22017
                  • Katy, TX, USA.
                  • BT3000 vintage 1999

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crokett
                  Plus when they undress in front of men, men give them money.
                  dang, that's what went wrong.
                  Loring in Katy, TX USA
                  If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                  BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                  • Uncle Cracker
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                    • May 2007
                    • 7091
                    • Sunshine State
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                    #10
                    Part of this may be because it's instinctual for men to bargain for women and compete for food, whereas women compete for men and bargain for food...

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                    • RayintheUK
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                      • Sep 2003
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                      • Crowborough, East Sussex, United Kingdom.
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                      #11
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                      Did you understand that? No? Well, it's far easier to work out than women, so quit trying to understand them!

                      Ray
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                      • leehljp
                        The Full Monte
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 8777
                        • Tunica, MS
                        • BT3000/3100

                        #12
                        Interesting topic!

                        LOML and I work together 80% of the time. There are a few women that she doesn't connect with well, but in most cases she does extremely well. And with me - I usually connect with those that she doesn't, but I am leery of them. I noticed this with one young woman who was a programmer. Logical to fault - even in her emotional life which caused all kinds of problems. Scary to me. I will often talk on the phone with another woman that needs some counseling, but not with this type. Because this type is so logical, they will discuss things that are too private, IMO, and I turn them over to LOML.

                        I don't discuss sex life with other women in individual settings, but other subjects are OK. LOML does that subject for them. Highly logical/clinical/business minded women often come across as cold or insensitive or too logical. LOML is not that for sure. Some women want to get to the crux of the problem, while LOML and most women want to verbally process the problem by dissecting it for no rhyme or reason.
                        Last edited by leehljp; 04-28-2009, 09:40 AM. Reason: corrected/changed "weary" to "leery"
                        Hank Lee

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                        • Uncle Cracker
                          The Full Monte
                          • May 2007
                          • 7091
                          • Sunshine State
                          • BT3000

                          #13
                          That's another interesting differential you touched on there, Hank. Most women hate the idea of their man talking to his friends about the "private" side of their relationship, but those very same women keep no such secrets from their own friends.

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                          • radhak
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                            • Apr 2006
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                            • Miramar, FL
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
                            Part of this may be because it's instinctual for men to bargain for women and compete for food, whereas women compete for men and bargain for food...
                            Man, that's deep!

                            Are you feeling okay?

                            It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
                            - Aristotle

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                            • Uncle Cracker
                              The Full Monte
                              • May 2007
                              • 7091
                              • Sunshine State
                              • BT3000

                              #15
                              Originally posted by radhak
                              Man, that's deep!
                              You're not the first one to accuse me of shoveling it out pretty deep... Glad you managed to find the bottom...

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