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  • LCHIEN
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    • Dec 2002
    • 22054
    • Katy, TX, USA.
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    #16
    Originally posted by BobSch
    Amen. Too many parents seem to instill a "It's not my fault" attitude in their kids and then wonder when something like this happens. On top of that, I've heard of kids around here who don't even think auto theft is stealing, just "borrowing".

    The mother of the suspect said she was sorry.

    If the cops don't chase the criminals will always run. Its human nature.
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    • Ed62
      The Full Monte
      • Oct 2006
      • 6021
      • NW Indiana
      • BT3K

      #17
      Originally posted by cgallery
      How do you guys feel about corporal punishment? Like the caning performed in some Asian countries? Do you think it be much of a deterrent?

      Or is is a step in the wrong direction?
      My personal opinion is that it is a step in the wrong direction. I doubt it would work, and we'd be stepping back in time.

      Initiating the "chase" has to call for good judgement. In some cases I feel it is warranted, and in others it is not. We could look at extreme examples. A person who just murdered several people would be one extreme, and the guy who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family, the other. The "gray area" is where the problem comes in. Someone (police) has to have the authority to make the call. And they have to have the proper training on how to make it.

      Do I think the fact that he's 17 years old should give him the protection of being tried as a juvenile? No way!

      Ed
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      • dbhost
        Slow and steady
        • Apr 2008
        • 9551
        • League City, Texas
        • Ryobi BT3100

        #18
        Originally posted by cgallery
        How do you guys feel about corporal punishment? Like the caning performed in some Asian countries? Do you think it be much of a deterrent?

        Or is is a step in the wrong direction?

        I think it's a great idea. Nothing that would cause permanent physical damage mind you, but something that would leave a burning sting that they won't forget anytime soon might just get some of these twits to think twice...

        Of course if the thought that they could end up in prison and become some monster of a persons (ryhmes with itch) then I guess some people are just too stupid to be allowed to breed...
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        • pierhogunn
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2003
          • 1567
          • Harrisburg, NC, USA.

          #19
          What ever happened to the stocks, or public executions, they were as much for the prevention of crime, as the punishment for convictions
          It's Like I've always said, it's amazing what an agnostic can't do if he dosent know whether he believes in anything or not

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          • LinuxRandal
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            • Feb 2005
            • 4890
            • Independence, MO, USA.
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            #20
            Originally posted by cgallery
            How do you guys feel about corporal punishment? Like the caning performed in some Asian countries? Do you think it be much of a deterrent?

            Or is is a step in the wrong direction?
            This is a sticky subject. NO punishment is right for all or all situations. Caning, as your example, could scare the criminal into straightening up, while keeping them out of the school for criminals (jail, juve), or it could drive them into being a more bitter and dangerous criminal (remind them of the beatings from their parents).

            If one solution fit everything, wouldn't we have solved it by now?
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            • Russianwolf
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              • Jan 2004
              • 3152
              • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
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              #21
              Originally posted by Ed62
              My personal opinion is that it is a step in the wrong direction. I doubt it would work, and we'd be stepping back in time.

              Initiating the "chase" has to call for good judgement. In some cases I feel it is warranted, and in others it is not. We could look at extreme examples. A person who just murdered several people would be one extreme, and the guy who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family, the other. The "gray area" is where the problem comes in. Someone (police) has to have the authority to make the call. And they have to have the proper training on how to make it.

              Do I think the fact that he's 17 years old should give him the protection of being tried as a juvenile? No way!

              Ed
              problem with this extreme is that if they feel that they will be executed for what they have done, why not go for broke. They can only execute the person once.

              I think some inhumane punishments need to come back. not just as a deterant from commiting a crime, but to deter them from making it worse.

              Say, you kill your spouse in a fit of jealous rage. You are going to get the death penalty, lethal injection. But if you then run and cause more people to be killed, the sentence changes to something that will be more drawn out and painful, starvation maybe.

              escalate the severity of the crime, escalate the severity of the punishment.
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              • cgallery
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                • Sep 2004
                • 4503
                • Milwaukee, WI
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                #22
                Originally posted by Russianwolf
                the sentence changes to something that will be more drawn out and painful, starvation maybe.
                Interesting. You look marvelous, then you die.

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                • BigguyZ
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 1818
                  • Minneapolis, MN
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by cgallery
                  Interesting. You look marvelous, then you die.
                  That's funny. The ACLU however, wants to talk to you out back.

                  Anyways, I think in the TC we have some-what of a hybrid policy. At least that's the impression I've gotten reading some of the reports. But the safety or others is definitely taken into consideration.

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                  • gjat
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 685
                    • Valrico (Tampa), Florida.
                    • BT3100

                    #24
                    These things happen because people commit crimes. There is no 100% remedy for these situations. If police institute a 'no pursuit' or 'limited pursuit' policy, then the criminal is motivated to run or to quickly escalate to highspeed or reckless behavior to force the police to lay off. Certain choices have an intrinsic cost. Society has to balance the two costs. Innocents are going to suffer either from emboldened criminals, or risk being killed or injured as enforcement official work to capture and punish criminals. I believe that Florida has laws to limit high speed pursuits to dangerous felony suspects. You can attempt to outrun the police for a speeding or traffic violation, but if you are fleeing an assault or battery charge, the police will persue. No solution is going to be perfect.

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                    • cwithboat
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                      • Jan 2008
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by BobSch
                      On top of that, I've heard of kids around here who don't even think auto theft is stealing, just "borrowing".
                      They think it is borrowing until they get caught and sentenced.
                      regards,
                      Charlie
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