Lets see. God created earth. Means God existed before earth, which would in fact, make God an extra-terrestrial.
Case proven.
Case proven.
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Hi Cabinetman, if you found a subject...
Did you noticed something very interesting with UFO's and especially aliens...they are all seen or even land in USA and all of them are speaking only English...not only but the majority of the "believers" in UFO's are Americans...sorry but I did not see or hear about it in another countries that I stayed but, they don't have "Hollywood" and "space programs".
In my X-profession, I spent 14,000 hours between 31,000 and 41,000 feet, and I think that it's enough time "up there" to see some UFO or two....niekakda i neihoda...except the normal stars and the satellites (and a few falling stars) - nothing.
But let me tell you a story;
One day, at twilights, we were flying over (what was) Yugoslavia. Five minutes in front of us - British Airways (BA).
We heard in the radio, "Belgrade control this is BA... we have some body flying near our right wing, the body is changing colors, blue, yellow, red, and changing altitude very rapidly, from 25,000 to 35,000 feet"
The controller replayed "sorry I don't see anything on my Radar screen" and than asked us if we can see something - we replied - "nothing".
After 5 minutes or so, I was looking out and believe it or not I've seen the "thing"...exactly as BA described it.
I told my Captain, "here it is...the thingy", my Captain look at the "thing" and said "ok"...
I ask him "You are not going to report it to Belgrade control"...the Captain replied with a smile..."So he will think that I'm also crazy"...
The Captain was one of those old guys with a lot of experience and he told us that in some time of the day, some angles and very special meteorological conditions (we call them Conductivity of the air) you can see things that are very far from you, like they are near-by you...something like FataMorgana (Mirage), they do see the water spring...it's just 300 miles from them...
What we have seen was the Sun that was setting far behind us... (as I said it was twilight).
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My take on UFOs and Aliens -
a. re aliens (the real ones, as against people from other countries
) : as Rumsfeld put it so beautifully, 'There are the unknown unknowns -- the things we don't know we don't know...'.
The thing is, I'm not convinced that anybody that could come from outside would arrive randomly, as a single, lost refugee.
b. UFOs : continuing on point (a), as niki points out, 'UFO's might just be distorted perception. And that's where my belief stands. 100% of the time.
all that said, my dearest hope is that we (people of earth) meet or are met by, aliens in UFOs, some time in this life of mine. even if it's in the form of a humongous hand coming out of space and pulling our planet from it's display setting in their lab where it might have been their 'petri dish' all these years
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Last edited by radhak; 08-07-2007, 10:32 AM.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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I read recently where the PR officer for the AFB where the Roswell wreckage was taken died in 2005. An affidavit he left to be opened post-motem said yes, there were aliens.Comment
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Definition is incliusive. Extraterrestrial is anyone who did not originate on earth, regardless of timeframe.
niki - to be the devil's advocate, I'd argue the airliner pilots would be least likely to see UFOs. Suppose you are an alien explorer(or rather, an autonomous AI), approaching from space in a highly maneuverable craft, and trying to avoid detection. An airliner cruising at 30-40,000 feet in a straight line above clouds will be clearly visible from above - and very easy to avoid. In particular, you would choose less populated areas without too many planes flying over them. Which kinda excludes most of Europe, by the way. So, you make your approach corridor over an area that does not have much air traffic, is sparsely populated, yet located in a fairly developed region of the world. If you are primarily interested in studying the civilization, Amazon jungles or African deserts don't make a good choice. Additionally, for an accidental observer to consider you a UFO, observer needs to be educated about such things. Some African tribesman might take you for some kind of spirit or god. And USA is not the only country - although it is the one with apparently the most interest in the area - but say, Russia also has no shortage of reported sightings, as well as books and movies dedicated to the field.
I m not saying they ARE watching us as we speak - just bringing up logical counters to arguments against their existence.Comment
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I believe in UFO's, saw one myself. I believe in aliens, not sure that they come from another planet, maybe from another dimension. They could be existing right here with us we just don't see them since our simple brains can not handle / understand it. As we are above an amoeba, they are above us.
As for the chemicals / elements / compounds that are needed to make life. Think of all the compounds that have come about in the last 100 years. How many don't we know about yet!! Heck even new elements are being discovered all the time. There could be many different types of elements on other planets, ones that we can not even imagine.Ric
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Scorrpio
The air-traffic nowadays is so congested even the east/far east of unpopulated Russia is "full" of airplanes crossing from Europe to the far east countries and back.
The visibility at 35000' is very clear and much longer distance. I remember flying from New-York to Tel-Aviv, I could see the Alps from the middle of the Atlantic...some 2500 Miles before we reached the Alps.
I think that it will be very difficult for a UFO to "hide" at night (and usually the come at night...at least in the movies) unless the have some special device to hide the reflection of the Sun from bodies.
I think that we (I mean Human) want to believe in UFO's and ET's and some of us can "see" them (or more correctly, imagine).
I also want to believe that there is life after death...but I know that there is nothing...some people believe (and the older they get the more believers they become) and I don't have nothing against it...as long as they don't bother me
Regards
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It is well known that aliens use cloaking devices. They can hide in plain sight. Therefore this leads me to believe that all the sightings are just someone's overactive imagination and the real aliens are doing doughnuts in our crops.LeeComment
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Taking into account the times they turn it off and on to mess with our minds, it goes on the fritz, one the the alien kids turn it off while messing around, some alien pop gets spilled on the console, the wrong button is his, etc. I can believe half of the sightings are real.
The doughnuts in our crops are probably done by some vandalizing alien teens, and some alien teens showboating around with mom & dad's ship.Ric
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In all this talk, how can we forget that watershed of a movie, that oracle of our times, that mirror to ourselves, that .... okay, something like that : Men In Black? It truely showed how aliens live amongst us - as us!
Once it pin-pointed Sly Stallone as an alien, I was struck with the simplicity of the truth : right in plain sight!! And only the tabloids caught onto them, but of course nobody believes tabloids!
I am sure many are woodworkers too, and maybe are even reading this, or posting even?
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Come to think of it, Mr. Kirby's shop looks too eerie, out-world-ish. And Niki's jigs have that element of advanced civilization : simplicity. (and isn't he trying his best to convince us that when we sighted his spaceship it was but a play of the sunlight? ! We are doomed...
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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1) the best way to hide something is to write a book about the subject. How long did it take western society to realize that Dracula was a real person that was if anything MORE bloodthirty than the character Stoker based on him?
2)The best fiction is always based on fact.
3)If we are the most intelligent life on the planet, we need major help.
4)If we are the most itelligent life in the universe, we're ****ed.
My astronomy prof in college said it this way.
There are over one million galaxies in the known universe. If only 1 percent of them have a solar system with planets and only one percent of them have a planet just the right distance from the star, and 1 percent of them have the elements to produce life, and if only 1 percent of those actually develope life, and only 1 percent of those develope multi-celled life, and only one percent of them actually develope complex life,a nd only one percent of those develope inteligent life. That still leaves a whole lot of room in the universe for intelligent life. Think about it.Mike
Lakota's Dad
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niki - seeing Alps from 2500 miles is one thing. But take a metric rule and view it from 30cm (1 foot) away. Observe the size of 1 millimeter from that distance. That is how large a 70-meter Boeing 747 will appear from about 20km away. Are you saying that planes are so thick over Siberia and Nevada that one can't find a 20km window? (Assuming they are as big as a 747)
Being not a pilot, I don't know the procedures - but say you are cruising at 35,000, at night, and see a tiny speck of light moving somewhere in the distance. Do you:
A. possess immediate information on all other planes in a 30-km radius and their relative position to you(including military) and check it for every single tiny spec you observe to make sure that yes, these is supposed to be a plane there, or...
B. dismiss it as just another plane, continue on your course, and forget about it after 10 seconds?
And by the way, if they want to avoid detection (both visual and radar), they'd probably have means of concealment. From how far do you think you can spot a B2-stealth bomber at night?
I am not saying I "want to believe in them" - I am just saying that to me, the argument "I spent a lot of time up there and didn't see any" is absolutely irrelevant.Comment
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Hi Scorpio
Most of the air traffic is Radar controlled and usually there is no need to report any traffic to the airplanes around.
We are sure that the traffic is under the ground controller survey.
It's true that an object big like the 747 (or even bigger), will be very difficult to spot from some distance.
During day time we can spot them 2~3 minutes before we pass each other [taking into consideration that most of the airplanes fly at around 1000 km/h (600 MPH), it's some 60km (flying "head-to-head"), at night, the distance is greater because of the Strobe lights of the plane], but I was talking about objects coming from space.
The much smaller communication satellites that are orbiting around 100~150km from the earth are very, very visible in flight. Actually, you cannot tell that it's a satellite unless you concentrate on it and see that it moves in reference to the stars.
I must agree with you that the statement "I spent a lot of time...etc." is relevant just because maybe I "wasn't at the correct place, at the correct time"...
Still, to believe in UFO's and ET's, I need much more "rigid" proves than some stories of people that "I've seen it with my eyes" and even when they take picture of the UFO, the story ends there and there is no any continuation like "on the next picture you can see the ET's coming out of the space ship".
I'm very rational person and it takes very logical and/or visible facts stated by scientist, to convince me that there are UFO's, ET's, Ghosts and other things that are taboo in the forum....
Best regards
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