new fuel??????

[Russianwolf]

Check it out.


http://12.29.16.230/mmimages/jeepvideo/waterfuel.wmv

It would be great if they could turn this out in the next couple years.

[Stytooner]

The cost is about the same I think.
Have you bought any bottled water out of a vending machine lately?
Very cool stuff.

[Russianwolf]

more info

http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm

[just4funsies]

Helllloooooo... We ALSO have a water shortage... (Although if we keep melting the polar ice, that won't be a problem, either.)

Seriously though, the amount of natural water in nature is part of a very delicate balancing act. Our core problem has not been that we are getting RID of water, but that we are moving it to places that nature can't deal with it, and dirtying it up to the point where nature can't clean it. We have actually not developed too much technology that actually breaks it down and uses it up. This system, if implemented on a global scale, would do just that. That worries me. The fabric of life itself depends on that delicate balance, whereas fossil fuels, nuclear fuels, ethanol, and other alternatives do not enter into that equation, other than the effect of by-product pollution. NO resource is more precious than water, and if we start BURNING it, we'll very quickly be SCREWED. Water is no more a renewable resource than fossil fuels are.

One other thing to consider in the operation of a water-burning engine is that the water must be PURE, otherwise the impurities and contaminants will build up and clog the works. (Imagine if your fuel injectors clogged up as quickly as your shower head does.) You saw that guy in the video filling up his gizmo with bottled water, not from his hose. That's a hint. And the costs of producing pure water are astronomical. Just go to some island, and see what it takes to run an R.O. plant. Very quickly, we'd all be grumbling about the price of water, instead of gas.

I'm not really a pessimist (No, I'm NOT... really...), but I'm not convinced that this solution is really the panacea it's cracked up to be. I think ultimately, nuclear power is the real answer, if we can figure out how to produce it without contaminating our environment or blowing ourselves up. Technology to harness lightning energy is also interesting.

[LCHIEN]

Bunch of BS. I kind of lost faith in this process about 15 seconds in when they claimed it was hotter than the sun... AND it wouldn't burn your hand.

Turning H20 into HHO also seems like no trick (same thing?)

the only science worse than no science is bad science.

Talk about stupid. I guess its the modern alchemy, instead of lead to gold it's now water into gasoline.

[MilDoc]

Great -- but I'll believe it when it's tested and proven by independent labs. Sounds like cold fusion all over again.

[jziegler]

I'll admit to sharing the skepticism here. If you go to the site that Mike mentioned, it looks like it is only for supplementing the gas, not replacing it. So, in the long run, it would be a means of stretching the oil supply, not replacing it. A good goal, but not the real end we need.

And the hotter than the sun, cool to the touch sounds werid to me. Worse than the cool heat soldering irons....

Jim

edit:

Sorry, it was Mike's link, not Lee's. My bad....

[pierhogunn]

4H + 2O = 2H20 er, burning water = water. Currently our understanding of certain fundamental laws say that you do not get 100% of the energy you put into a process out of a process, something is lost.

I think it is some thing about thermodynamics... Lee can you back me up on this?

[Stytooner]

Nope. I didn't post a link and I am absolutely Thermodynamically challenged.

[Texas splinter]

Here we go again...

Seems like every time gas prices go up and stay up for over a month or two, some one (or many someone) comes out of the woodwork with a car that runs on water.
Déjà vu all over again!

[scorrpio]

4H + 2O = 2H20 er, burning water = water. Currently our understanding of certain fundamental laws say that you do not get 100% of the energy you put into a process out of a process, something is lost.

I think it is some thing about thermodynamics... Lee can you back me up on this?

Theoretically, you should get as much energy out of a process as was originally put into it - but in practice, a portion of energy always gets wasted in form of heat dissipation.

[Joe Lyddon]

The cost is about the same I think.
Have you bought any bottled water out of a vending machine lately?
Very cool stuff.

In the video, he states where he went 100 miles on 4 ounces of water!
Let's see... that's:

25 miles per Ounce...
400 miles per Pint...
800 miles per Quart...
1,600 miles per 1/2 Gal...
3,200 miles per Gallon!!

Heck, that's close to a year's supply for me!!

Just think, all I have to do is get a Rust Proof gas tank, fill it up once, and drive it for Years!!

What could be better!!

Will it ever happen?

NO... The Government or Oil Companies will Buy him out and stick it in a file drawer to let it die... They would lose too much money!! Back to good ole G R E E D !!

Do you wonder if it's really true or not?
Is it too good to be true?
(probably is!)

[Joe Lyddon]

Here is another link I found... it's another movie but much longer...

Very interesting...

http://www.browns-gas.com/page/page/3353615.htm

[Joe Lyddon]

It HAS been around for awhile...

http://www.keelynet.com/july3rd05.htm

... scroll down to "8/22/05" ...

The kicker... must be the cost of Electricity...!?

[gjbivin]

The problem is that you have to put energy into the water to break it into hydrogen and oxygen. It is that energy that you are getting back when you burn the "HHO gas" (minus the thermodynamic tax). The torch may be useful as-is, since you just plug the unit into the wall -- but I bet you could make a plasma torch that would work even better with the same power.

For vehicle use, you either have to generate the hydrogen and oxygen beforehand and store them (separately!!) in tanks in the vehicle, or carry along an electrical power source to power the process on-demand. In the first case, the size of the tanks needed to store enough H and O is a problem; and perhaps using a fuel cell and an electric motor would be a better choice than the water cycle. In the second case, if you have a power source, you also might just as well go electric and use the power directly.