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  • PhilofKayDu
    Forum Newbie
    • Aug 2009
    • 60
    • Northern Indiana
    • BT3000

    Fluting columns!

    Does anyone flute/vein columns? What is the best jig? Should I mount the column on centers and use a router? I have 2 lathes ;but, niether are set up. I am thinking this jig should be shaped like a trough. The router mounted to a sled so it can slide across the top edges of the trough. Any pics or more insight would be greatly appreciated! Phil Thanks everyone. I am sorry for not making myself clear. Round (cylindrical) columns with flutes. I look forward to seeing how you did this Larry.
    Last edited by PhilofKayDu; 02-22-2010, 08:49 PM. Reason: Clarification
  • aiyou
    SawdustZone Patron
    • Mar 2006
    • 106
    • Charlotte, NC
    • BT3100

    #2
    there was an aricle in a shop notes or such about a year ago. A trim router, mounted to a 1/4" plastic plate with some adjustable spacers. I'll see if I can find the issue around the house.

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    • cabinetman
      Gone but not Forgotten RIP
      • Jun 2006
      • 15216
      • So. Florida
      • Delta

      #3
      Originally posted by PhilofKayDu
      Does anyone flute/vein columns? What is the best jig? Should I mount the column on centers and use a router? I have 2 lathes ;but, niether are set up. I am thinking this jig should be shaped like a trough. The router mounted to a sled so it can slide across the top edges of the trough. Any pics or more insight would be greatly appreciated! Phil

      I've always used a handheld router with a core box bit. The jig is fairly simple. It's primarily a one piece panel with the center cut out. The inside edges of the long sides are the distance to the first flute cut (for both outside flutes). Then a spacer is placed against the edge to get the second flute (on both sides), etc.

      Each pass is made with the left side of the router base against the edge of the jig. IOW, for the left flute, the base is pushed on the left edge, and on the right side the jig can be turned around, or if it's clamped down, walk to the other end and make the pass as the first one was done. Stops can be set at both ends.
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      • robk
        Forum Newbie
        • Mar 2005
        • 9
        • Enid, Okla, USA.
        • bt3100

        #4
        Here are a couple of pictures of some colums I fluted for my son-in-laws front pourch. I use a 1/2 core box bit in my router and my routers edge guide to make the flutes. I used stop blocks on the ends. I cut the center flute first and then worked out. You can cut from both sides of the boards for each flute and only have one setting for each flute.
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        Robert

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        • crokett
          The Full Monte
          • Jan 2003
          • 10627
          • Mebane, NC, USA.
          • Ryobi BT3000

          #5
          I did this column for my kitchen bench and used a core box bit. I built a jig for the router that was a custom base plate and and had 2 guides that ran either side of the column. The router was off-set to the guides. edge guide. I put stops at both ends, ran one flute, turned the base 180 degrees then ran the other. I suggest doing this in multiple passes. If I tried to cut too deep I did not get a smooth bottom on the flute.

          David

          The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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          • cabinetman
            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
            • Jun 2006
            • 15216
            • So. Florida
            • Delta

            #6
            When using the core box bit, the ends of the flute may get burned. An easy way to abrade the burn is to use a riffler. They work well for a wood finish. I took the picture below and this is my work.


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            • LarryG
              The Full Monte
              • May 2004
              • 6693
              • Off The Back
              • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

              #7
              Round columns, right? (You mentioned a lathe, and mounting the column between centers.) Cutting flutes in square columns is dead easy. Round ones, not so much.

              I'll send you a PM with some pics of a fixture I built for a similar purpose. It's probably too small for your purposes but the concept is exactly the same.
              Larry

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              • PhilofKayDu
                Forum Newbie
                • Aug 2009
                • 60
                • Northern Indiana
                • BT3000

                #8
                Beautiful carpentry guys! Phil

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                • drumpriest
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3338
                  • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
                  • Powermatic PM 2000

                  #9
                  I have not yet done this, but I've thought on it a bunch. I figured some form of router sled that can ride in the channel of the lathe bed would be the way to go, if you have indexing on your lathe.

                  If not you may have to make something more sophisticated.
                  Keith Z. Leonard
                  Go Steelers!

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                  • capncarl
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 3571
                    • Leesburg Georgia USA
                    • SawStop CTS

                    #10
                    I am in the middle of a build that requires flutes on flat surfaces like robk's columns. It is actually plant stands of various heights for patios, weddings etc. I have the table saw set up with an angle jig, and cut 3/4 wide x 3/8 deep coves. There are numerous cove cutting web sites that show this in great detail. One of the better sites is the woodgear site. Somewhere I saw a jig built to use on too large to handle on a table saw pieces that used a circular saw rather than a router. It allowed a variety of larger cove sizes without having to buy expensive router bits. I have had good luck cutting coves on the table saw.
                    capncarl

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                    • phi1l
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 681
                      • Madison, WI

                      #11
                      Originally posted by capncarl
                      I am in the middle of a build that requires flutes on flat surfaces like robk's columns. It is actually plant stands of various heights for patios, weddings etc. I have the table saw set up with an angle jig, and cut 3/4 wide x 3/8 deep coves. There are numerous cove cutting web sites that show this in great detail. One of the better sites is the woodgear site. Somewhere I saw a jig built to use on too large to handle on a table saw pieces that used a circular saw rather than a router. It allowed a variety of larger cove sizes without having to buy expensive router bits. I have had good luck cutting coves on the table saw.
                      capncarl
                      Are the flutes in your columns going to end within the work piece, or extend to the end of the piece? I would expect that flutes done with a TS or circular saw would not have a very elegant termination.

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                      • cabinetman
                        Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 15216
                        • So. Florida
                        • Delta

                        #12
                        Originally posted by phi1l
                        Are the flutes in your columns going to end within the work piece, or extend to the end of the piece? I would expect that flutes done with a TS or circular saw would not have a very elegant termination.

                        If done on the TS with a moulding head, setting up marks to start and terminate the flutes will leave curvatures, which look fine. It may take running the flute to the rear mark and then backing up the column to the forward mark.

                        My complaints with this process is you can't see what you're doing, and having to hold the entire run to the fence and holding down.
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                        • phi1l
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 681
                          • Madison, WI

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cabinetman
                          If done on the TS with a moulding head, setting up marks to start and terminate the flutes will leave curvatures, which look fine. It may take running the flute to the rear mark and then backing up the column to the forward mark.

                          My complaints with this process is you can't see what you're doing, and having to hold the entire run to the fence and holding down.
                          .
                          Ahhh.. I was thinking of the "diagonal feed method"

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                          • PhilofKayDu
                            Forum Newbie
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 60
                            • Northern Indiana
                            • BT3000

                            #14
                            Anyone else?

                            Has anyone done /or have seen someone else flute large DIA. cylindrical columns (front of house type)???????? Dear drumpriest, You mentioned you have thought about this alot. Have you sketched any kind of jig? Phil

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                            • LarryG
                              The Full Monte
                              • May 2004
                              • 6693
                              • Off The Back
                              • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

                              #15
                              Phil, did you notice that I've sent you a Private Message? Do the pictures it contained help?
                              Larry

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