just getting used to Torx, have you seen these LOX yet?

[LCHIEN]

Developed in 2001, there's the LOX-Recess drive, made of four square recesses overlapped. LOX-Recess

LOX type screw and bits

The LOX-Recess screw drive was invented by Brad Wagner, and fasteners using it are distributed by licensees Hitachi, Dietrick Metal Framing, and Grabber.^[38] The design is four overlapping square recesses, with 12 contact points, and is designed to tolerate more torque, decrease wear, and avoid cam-out.^[39]

Torx was developed in 1967, I first encountered Torx screws in the 90s, so it takes a while before these newfangled drive designs filter down to non industrial users.

intersting reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives

[leehljp]

Finally, I am at the point that I don't want to see any new developments in tools or tool accessories! I have too many now.

I do have some Torx but I don't like them. I can't find my Torx drivers when I need them when doing work outside of my shop. The best of all worlds for me are regular Phillips head screws and the Phillips head drivers than have small notches on them to help keeping them from jumping out of the screw. They are called ACR Phillips head. MUCH better than regular head.

https://www.amazon.com/Geinxurn-Phillips-Anti-slip-Magnetic-Screwdriver/dp/B0CHW8PM67/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3MOUARVAQHE4S&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q1f oJpIPJ539klRCw47jr1Yg5EE_sz_4P83IFAMnW5H3rJ_FJRV6X lasrlvd5wRItICtUF5bmpSoYpnJYZmr9nlg5tH6cow_PRFswP9 goYZ-wYVQXZxHREzTBbN5SS4r2RYzVCRpigJHI3wYYQXeLG_tOPevNq 3_ouhPI_LX9ZkGYnmiJ3inxXF7so8oafOyA9hVRJdy-s8opoE08e46YwJhzQPzhsKAE5-BWrQzwy50SX1rz8HGtWQ6hY7EGoJWCvdwLNuXPjnmsGhDiEkkD 8OaD40YVw9zumj4vulKSt4.Mb1WB3OZomYZMQRNP87OhjwqywU d_Fc6eOvjZrChuXM&dib_tag=se&keywords=ACR%2Bphillip s%2Bhead%2Bdrivers&qid=1773770988&s=hi&sprefix=acr %2Bphillips%2Bhead%2Bdrivers%2Ctools%2C261&sr=1-7&th=1

There are several brands of these type of Phillip drivers.

[Jim Frye]

Haven’t seen these, nor the bits to drive them. Really haven’t used metal fasteners for nearly twenty years now in an6 construction. I have a ton of screws with Phillips, square drive, and torx, but rarely use them.

[LCHIEN]

Finally, I am at the point that I don't want to see any new developments in tools or tool accessories! I have too many now....

I know, I still have some screw assortments with slotted flat head screws. I hate using them over Phillips or Torx, I should really just dump them but I can't bear to throw stuff away.

I have yet to see a LOX screw but I thought to pick up a driver bit just in case. But the cheapest is a pack of 5 bits for $12-15 bucks, I doubt I'll see one soon and if I buy a box of LOX screws, it'll probably come with a bit like you see Torx bits with boxes of screws.

[d_meister]

I bought one of those Harbor Freight security bit assortments a couple of years ago (on sale!), and finally had a need for it. I was eviscerating one of my glue guns because an O ring came out, and all the fasteners were phillips except the one near the trigger. It was a tiny female triangle head, about the same size as a #4 screw. HF saved the day.

[LCHIEN]

I have the HF 100-piece security bit assortment kit I got a few years ago. It does not have LOX bits.

In answer to the question, why another bit type, supposedly this design has the advantage of 12 pressure points rather than 6 for Torx or Allen or four for Robertson or phillips. Making it stronger and more wear resistant.

[LCHIEN]

I would say Torx was developed in 1967 and started appearing widely in 1990s so it took 20+ years to reach the masses.

LOX was developed 2001 so I suspect we will be seeing more of them soon as the 20 year incubation has passed. Likely it will appear in boxes of deck screws with LOX head and a included LOX bit in the box.

[Pappy]

Special order at Home Depot and comes with bits. Like everyone else, I don't see a reason to go to them. I lean to Torx heads but I may give the Phillips tips that Lee posted a try.