A buddy is renovating a house he just got and he asked to keep an eye out for a good TS. He doesn't want to spend alot, wants it semi portable (or at least moveable), and basically wants it for home improvement. But may want to do some fine woodworking in the future. Of course one of the saws I suggested is the bt3. Found this on on CL and was wondering if it is a 3100?
Is this a bt3100?
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There are no miter slots. The saw utilizes a SMT in place of miter slots. Some people find it tricky to align the SMT, others say they have no problems. If you recall there is the SMT base and three of four screws on the table are eccentric allowing alignment.
=========The following is by Jim Frye which I have placed in the BT3 FAQ - made some edits for BT3100==============
I think the major things to look for a used BT3000 are as follows, and not necessarily in order of importance. This is the order I thought of them.
1. The lead screw that runs the entire motor and arbor mount (locker bracket) passes through a threaded hole in the aluminum motor end bell casting. Improper maintenance can cause undo wear on the casting. If it strips out the fix is to replace the motor and it's casting (about $200), or rethread the casting with a helicoil insert. This repair is less than
$30 if you do it yourself and actually makes the unit better than when it was new. If the motor is loose or sloppy on the lead screw, the threads are badly worn.
2. The brush end cap of the motor (opposite from the arbor end) is held on with two self-tapping screws. Remove them and the end cap to inspect the condition of the brushes (they're pretty cheap and easy to replace), and the amount of dust inside the motor. If there's a lot of dust inside, the saw may have been used with out a dust collection device attached and simply sucked a bunch in. See if you can blow it out. Maybe the seller has a compressed air source. Hopefully the seller has cleaned the saw up, which should be an indication of whether the saw was cared for or not.
3. Inspect the plastic roller holder casting at the rear of the rip fence for cracks or breakage. This will render the fence useless. However, the part is really inexpensive (less than $3.00) to replace.
4. Inspect the plastic slides on the Sliding Miter Table (SMT). Look for wear or breakage (result of being dropped), not just out of adjustment. The slides are mounted on eccentric screw mounts and can be adjusted for no side play. Also, the slides are reversible, so if one side is worn, they can be rotated 180 degrees and you are back in business. An entire set costs less than $3.00 anyway. Also check to see that the SMT track is not bent. And make sure the miter fence is included with the knob and hold down bracket and orange angle pointer. (ed. Note: a replacement SMT from someone’s parted out saw will run you ~$25-40 depending on whether it includes the miter fence.)
5. Back to the rip fence. See, I told you these were in no set order. Make sure the entire head casting is not cracked in any way. I've not seen a price to replace this casting and it might require buying a whole new fence assembly. (ed Note: A replacement rip fence from someone’s parted out saw will run ~$25)
6. When you are looking at the underside of the saw, make a close inspection of the dual drive belts. If not abused, they should last a long, long time. If they are cracked, they will need to be replaced. I paid $11.60 apiece for new belts this year at an appliance parts store in town. Replacing the belts is a 1 1/2 to 3 hour job if you've not done it before.
7. Check to see that the front and rear rails are not bent in any plane. These two extrusions are the basis for most of the work you do on the saw and if they are not straight, neither will your work.
8. [this one was not a problem with BT3100s]
9. Check to see that the motor starts and runs with a steady sound and no screeching or smoking (see dust check above). It should sound like a big plunge router at full speed (the motor is really a 15 amp. derivative of a router motor). Also check the switch. Some BT3100s had a power switch that failed with the power on after some use. (ed. Note: you can still get the replacement switch for free from Ryobi.)
10. Make sure the arbor is not bent. Watch it while it slows down after shutting the motor off. Grab the arbor (when it's not turning and the blade's been removed) and tug and wiggle it. It should not move. If it does, the arbor bearings are worn. This is highly unlikely as the BT3K is the only table saw on the market with three bearing sets in the arbor. Mount a good blade on the arbor and turn the saw on and off. Watch the blade for wobble that might indicate a bent arbor or a bad arbor flange. Changing an arbor or the bearings is doable, but I've not heard of anyone doing it in the nearly eight years I've had the saw.
11. Check the build date on the serial number decal on the side of the saw near the electrical plug. The last four digits that set off to the right of the serial number are the build date. The format is YYWW where: YY is the year of manufacture (92-06) and WW the week (1-52) of manufacture. This will really tell how old the saw is. (ed. Note: on the BT3100 the date code is the first four numeric digits of the s/n.)
12. Check the underside of all of the table castings for cracks. The right side accessory table has a plastic locking tab that hooks under the rail to hold the table in position. This can wear with normal usage. It is reversible and cheap to replace. [one of them has what looks like a crack but its in the repaired mold, not the casting, so its OK]
13. Check the holes for the table insert. There are three of them for the steel plate and four for the plastic zero clearance throat plates. Run a throat plate screw into each hole that has been tapped and try to snug the screw down. You don't have to really torque the screw hard, just see if the holes are stripped. I have not heard of anyone stripping these holes out, but I think there is enough metal to drill and tap for the next bigger size. This saw is metric by the way [ed. Note – actually its not Metric, they are all SAE threads].
14. Well, I can't stop on 13 things to look for. That would be bad luck. Check the tabletops for dings, gouges, and dents. This won't harm the performance, but will be a fairly good indicator of how well the saw has been cared for.
Well, that's about it for looking over a used BT3000. Good Luck and remember, you can
get a reconditioned BT3000 without the stand for $319 with a one year warranty.
15 (Editor’s. addition) Make sure the following std. accessories are there or an allowance is made for replacement: accessory table, SMT table and miter fence, rip fence, blade guard, arbor wrenches (two are included, you can use regular wrenches but you need one of these to lock the arbor). The following optional accessories are a plus: microadjuster (~$20), outfeed table, Sharkguard (aftermarket blade guard), router mounting kit (~$20), extension rails (~$40), throat plates, and dual miter slot table (~$20). The following options are probably not worth much: wheel kit (requires tilting the saw like a wheelbarrow), and dust bag. Prices are approx street sales value as of 2010. People will also have added extension table and supports, various home made and commercial mobile bases, various dust collection features, they usually think the world of them but you have to evaluate what these are worth to you.
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Mostly good advice. I have actually never heard of a cracked casting on a BT3 or of stripped screws on the throat plate.
Don't forget to tell him about the FAQ.Last edited by LCHIEN; 12-25-2011, 11:48 AM.
Loring in Katy, TX USA
If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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