eliminating the track saws for ripping panels?

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  • BigguyZ
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 1818
    • Minneapolis, MN
    • Craftsman, older type w/ cast iron top

    #16
    I think this is an interesting idea and a good concept. However, I would not personally buy something like this. I typically have to have plywood cut down for me at the big box store anyways. And for the few times I need to rip a long sheet good, it's a bit too much. Unless it got down to the $50-$70 range, but even then.

    Obviously, this is based on my use alone. I'm sure that there are many out there who would find much more value in this than I would.

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    • YCF Dino
      Forum Newbie
      • Jul 2004
      • 43
      • Edison, NJ, USA.

      #17
      from testing the idea to save my back...
      thanks guys.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkINMpJm6kE
      YCF Dino

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      • YCF Dino
        Forum Newbie
        • Jul 2004
        • 43
        • Edison, NJ, USA.

        #18
        Originally posted by BigguyZ
        I think this is an interesting idea and a good concept. However, I would not personally buy something like this. I typically have to have plywood cut down for me at the big box store anyways. And for the few times I need to rip a long sheet good, it's a bit too much. Unless it got down to the $50-$70 range, but even then.

        Obviously, this is based on my use alone. I'm sure that there are many out there who would find much more value in this than I would.
        If Ryobi takes over the idea, they can make it for $45.00??
        why not? the benefit here is portability.
        many ways and many tools that we make to cut plywood.
        this a simple edge with a twist,

        thanks
        YCF Dino

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        • AlanWS
          Established Member
          • Dec 2003
          • 257
          • Shorewood, WI.

          #19
          It seems this would be particularly helpful where you have multiple strips to cut, where a track or sawboard would need to be repositioned for each cut, measuring at both ends.

          I would make sure there is a replaceable ZCI built into the base for the saw. A splitter would also be nice.

          The mechanism of course needs to restrain the fence to parallel to the blade, while making it easily moved, installed, removed, and recalibrated in terms of both distance and parallel. Perhaps a spacer that fit between the fence and blade would make it easy to set both. You can't count on the saw base being parallel to the blade. The scale would be helpful if it could be set to read to either edge of the blade.

          Probably people would want the fence to be on either side as well: usually I want the mass of the saw over the workpiece, so I would set it up opposite to the way you show. That also requires less extension of the fence for the same width cut.
          Alan

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          • YCF Dino
            Forum Newbie
            • Jul 2004
            • 43
            • Edison, NJ, USA.

            #20
            good stuff here

            Originally posted by AlanWS
            It seems this would be particularly helpful where you have multiple strips to cut, where a track or sawboard would need to be repositioned for each cut, measuring at both ends.

            I would make sure there is a replaceable ZCI built into the base for the saw. A splitter would also be nice.

            The mechanism of course needs to restrain the fence to parallel to the blade, while making it easily moved, installed, removed, and recalibrated in terms of both distance and parallel. Perhaps a spacer that fit between the fence and blade would make it easy to set both. You can't count on the saw base being parallel to the blade. The scale would be helpful if it could be set to read to either edge of the blade.

            Probably people would want the fence to be on either side as well: usually I want the mass of the saw over the workpiece, so I would set it up opposite to the way you show. That also requires less extension of the fence for the same width cut.
            Alan, you hit 10 nails at once.
            Even the position of the saw.

            The funny surprise is the next step(s) of the same concept but first we have to
            perfect simplicity that as we all know...not an easy task.

            this is why I posted here.
            this is why I come to America.

            thanks.
            your views are good to become a member of the ez-beta team.
            let me know.
            YCF Dino

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            • jussi
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 2162

              #21
              Originally posted by AlanWS
              It seems this would be particularly helpful where you have multiple strips to cut, where a track or sawboard would need to be repositioned for each cut, measuring at both ends.

              To be fair Festool does make parallel guides, which work extremely well, that allow you rip the same width over and over again. I did a couple of shop cabinets last weekend and it took me about 10 minutes to cut the carcass parts once I set up the guides. Now many would balk at the prices they're asking for their tools but it is an option they offer.
              I reject your reality and substitute my own.

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              • YCF Dino
                Forum Newbie
                • Jul 2004
                • 43
                • Edison, NJ, USA.

                #22
                Originally posted by jussi
                To be fair Festool does make parallel guides, which work extremely well, that allow you rip the same width over and over again. I did a couple of shop cabinets last weekend and it took me about 10 minutes to cut the carcass parts once I set up the guides. Now many would balk at the prices they're asking for their tools but it is an option they offer.
                yes, they do made a good edge guide.
                This one offers total control before and at the very end at the cut due to
                sliding/extendable femce. Even Dewalt made one that provides better control but again...
                not exact the same tools.
                this one is a patent pending design with few more benefits.
                First one?
                UNIVERSAL to any and ALL saws in the market.
                Never mind all other design features.

                thanks.
                YCF Dino

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                • thrytis
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2004
                  • 552
                  • Concord, NC, USA.
                  • Delta Unisaw

                  #23
                  Did you say in the video that you were working on adding a riving knife to it?

                  With the way you hold the fence during the cut, maybe a lip on the underside of the fence would help hold the cut off stable during the cut and reduce the breaking at the end of the cut.
                  Last edited by thrytis; 06-07-2011, 10:23 PM.
                  Eric

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                  • YCF Dino
                    Forum Newbie
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 43
                    • Edison, NJ, USA.

                    #24
                    Originally posted by thrytis
                    Did you say in the video that you were working on adding a riving knife to it?

                    With the way you hold the fence during the cut, maybe a lip on the underside of the fence would help hold the cut off stable during the cut and reduce the breaking at the end of the cut.
                    Yes, Not a riving knife on the saw. Only on the base.
                    Like a spacer.

                    The 2 washers ( for now) do the trick from the top.
                    We need a cuting table, next time I will use the smart table.
                    The lip on the underside is going to be a problem on other situations
                    where proper material support is used.

                    thanks,
                    YCF Dino

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                    • LinuxRandal
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 4890
                      • Independence, MO, USA.
                      • bt3100

                      #25
                      Originally posted by YCF Dino
                      The lip on the underside is going to be a problem on other situations
                      where proper material support is used.

                      thanks,

                      Why would the lip be a problem? Just have the lip only on one side, so the extrusion is reversible. This solves two "problems" by making it work with either left or right bladed saws, and you can flip the lip out of the way when not needed/"problem".

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                      • JimD
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4187
                        • Lexington, SC.

                        #26
                        I use a saw board to break down sheet goods and a cleanup rip on the table saw if they are something critical. I would like to have a Festool saw and guide for this but can't really justify (to myself) the cost. My Milwaukee and simple guide work fine.

                        For narrow rips I think this would work OK but I think the wider you go, the higher the risk of not moving the saw straight.

                        Jim

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                        • YCF Dino
                          Forum Newbie
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 43
                          • Edison, NJ, USA.

                          #27
                          Originally posted by LinuxRandal
                          Why would the lip be a problem? Just have the lip only on one side, so the extrusion is reversible. This solves two "problems" by making it work with either left or right bladed saws, and you can flip the lip out of the way when not needed/"problem".

                          Keep it EZ (slaps head icon)
                          randal. lip on the top to keep the edge guide and wood /saw level.
                          At the bottom is going to hit the support.
                          YCF Dino

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                          • YCF Dino
                            Forum Newbie
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 43
                            • Edison, NJ, USA.

                            #28
                            Originally posted by JimD
                            I use a saw board to break down sheet goods and a cleanup rip on the table saw if they are something critical. I would like to have a Festool saw and guide for this but can't really justify (to myself) the cost. My Milwaukee and simple guide work fine.

                            For narrow rips I think this would work OK but I think the wider you go, the higher the risk of not moving the saw straight.

                            Jim
                            Jim.
                            yes. the wider the harder to keep it perfect straight.
                            If we solve the first problems we can easily solve the last one.
                            Some times the solution is there and free....( this is a hint of what's next)

                            Guys thanks for all the feedback and I will post the solution in few days.
                            were working on wide cuts for a long time now.

                            thanks again.
                            your carpenter friend
                            dino
                            YCF Dino

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                            • LinuxRandal
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 4890
                              • Independence, MO, USA.
                              • bt3100

                              #29
                              Originally posted by YCF Dino
                              randal. lip on the top to keep the edge guide and wood /saw level.
                              At the bottom is going to hit the support.
                              Lip can be at the top or the bottom, just depending on how you flip it. As long as it is square, with a lip on one side, you could have the lip on the top inside, bottom inside, top outside or bottom outside.
                              She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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                              • YCF Dino
                                Forum Newbie
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 43
                                • Edison, NJ, USA.

                                #30
                                Originally posted by LinuxRandal
                                Lip can be at the top or the bottom, just depending on how you flip it. As long as it is square, with a lip on one side, you could have the lip on the top inside, bottom inside, top outside or bottom outside.
                                Randal, I'm lost.
                                lip on the edge guide. It can only be on the top.
                                Yes, you can have it reversible but has to be on the top of the panel.
                                I may dont see what you're talking or the other way?

                                No problem.
                                YCF Dino

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