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  • ewingda
    Forum Newbie
    • Feb 2006
    • 31
    • Winston-Salem, NC
    • BT3100 & SawStop 3HP

    #1

    Going to the Dark Side....

    A while back I asked you for your opinions on a new saw. I was looking at a Steel City and debatinbg my options. Thanks for the responses!

    Well I finally made a decision....

    SawStop - 3HP, 240V, 36" rip, Bessy Fence, table board & mobile base (& Dado brake & table insert)

    Here is how I came to my decision:

    I was looking to go toward a more traditional saw for the availability of jigs, mass, etc. I was also looking for more power to increase safety a bit (dont like being near the limit of the BT3100 motor).

    I started looking at hybrids - Delta, 22124, WoodTek, Steel City. I thought for the $800 to $1200 that I will spend there I might as well go to full cabinet saw. After all - Ill never need to buy another saw again.

    So I looked at the typical names and then I came across the SawStop. I liked the safety, but I was worried about the quality. I spent ALOT of time online researching. I also admired at the local Klingspor's store.

    My information led me to this conclusion:
    -Equal to or better construction vs. the big names (Delta, PM, SC, etc.) - narrow blade guard, riving knife, heavier, larger table, zero clearance, etc...
    -Superior safety through the SawStop mechanism as well as the computer verifying that the system is ready to run (splitter or guard installed, doors closed, etc)
    -Additional cost of $2000
    -Never a complaint by an owner
    -Very Good customer service
    -Cost for stitches for cut - $2000 min, Surgery for ugly cut $5000 min, reattachment $10000 min,
    -piece of mind - priceless!!!! :-)

    So I made the jump last week at the cost of $4200 all in (incl tax). Definately a steep price tag...but I feel good about it. I want to have every bit of safety I can. Someone said - "do you drive any different with an airbag?" Well, no, I dont and I wont be any less careful with this saw. I have a healthy fear of tablesaws. Another good point from the gentleman at Klingspor's - "people will spend $30K for a car that lasts 5 years, but they wont spend $4K for a saw that will last a lifetime and ofers superior protection in case of accident." Truer words have never been spoken!

    So I am sure I will get flamed by some...that is OK, I dont give a frak!

    I will document the arrival and installation during the coming weeks. The fun part will be getting it from the garage to the shop - down one level, but I have a walk out door around the back (ugh!) of the house.

    I will continue browsing & posting to this site because of the people. You guys are helpful and an interesting bunch. I recommend this site to alot of people regardlss of their saw- because of how great the atmosphere is!

    More to come.
    **********
    Dave Ewing
    woodshop@davidewingjr.us
  • dbhost
    Slow and steady
    • Apr 2008
    • 9520
    • League City, Texas
    • Ryobi BT3100

    #2
    Nice rig those Saw Stop saws are. WAY out of my price league at this point, but if I had nothing but cash to lay out on a dream shop, I would be all over that saw!
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    • cgallery
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2004
      • 4503
      • Milwaukee, WI
      • BT3K

      #3
      Originally posted by ewingda
      I will continue browsing & posting to this site because of the people. You guys are helpful and an interesting bunch. I recommend this site to alot of people regardlss of their saw- because of how great the atmosphere is!

      More to come.
      That is a great saw, you're gonna love it. A lifetime purchase. I think the most impressive feature is the way they've made all the geometry easily adjustable.

      And I would certainly hope you wouldn't go away cause you're using a SawStop. I look forward to pictures and first impressions.

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      • poolhound
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 3196
        • Phoenix, AZ
        • BT3100

        #4
        Originally posted by ewingda
        So I am sure I will get flamed by some...that is OK, I dont give a frak!
        No flaming here - thats not what we do.

        Huge congrats on your new saw I agree with your rational and just wish I had the money and space to indulge myslef. I have looked at the sawstops up close and they look real nice.

        The new car analogy is very true and if you think about it for most cars you will lose at least $4K as soon as you drive it out the door.

        When I occasionally daydream about those millions of dollars from my lottery win I sit an kit out my new shop. A powermatic or sawstop are both there at the top of my optionlist.

        Oh yes and do I sense a BSG fan - those that know will understand ;-)
        Jon

        Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
        ________________________________

        We all make mistakes and I should know I've made enough of them
        techzibits.com

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        • pacwind3
          Established Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 257
          • Vancouver, WA
          • Bosch 4100

          #5
          My last job was in a cabinet shop. I've used the powermatic. Honestly, I wasn't impressed. I get better results from my BT. Granted, my bt isn't used everyday in an industrial environment, but still.
          I think the sawstop is an excellent product. The company started out trying to market to the other manufactures, delta, jet etc. Then they went ahead and came out with their own product. Since they are still new to the market and trying to make a name for themselves, I am not surprised at the good customer service. Hopefully they will keep it up. Given enough time, the price will come down. I remember when my parents first VCR was $1100 in 1985.

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          • charliex
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2004
            • 632
            • Spring Valley, MN, USA.
            • Sears equivelent BT3100-1

            #6
            First flame...
            U suck!

            Congratulations on the new saw. Keep posting and let us know how you like it.

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            • SARGE..g-47

              #7
              Congratulations Dave. I wouldn't personally pay that much for the saw as about $1700 if the the safety thingy. But if they sold one without it for half the price I would definitely consider one if in the market. I 've looked them over several times and the saw itself is extremely well built and engineered IMO. And that opionion in not based on anything about the expenseive safety feature.

              Great saw even without the safety thing.

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              • drumpriest
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2004
                • 3338
                • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
                • Powermatic PM 2000

                #8
                Congrats, great saw! Smart choice too, for me it's all about the RK. Technically my PM2000 is 1/2" deeper, and just as heavy though. ;-)

                The safety mechanism is certainly not a BAD idea, and if it makes you feel safer, then it's worth the money.

                Have a good time making sawdust with that big sucker!

                Pacwind3, having gone from the bt to the pm2k, I can't agree with you. Of course it's very true that it's in the controlled environment of my shop (as is your bt, I assume). The BT was great, don't get me wrong, but the pm2000 was a definite upgrade.
                Keith Z. Leonard
                Go Steelers!

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                • p8ntblr
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 921
                  • So Cal
                  • Craftsman 22114

                  #9
                  I seriously doubt you will get flamed here. Definitely not by the senior members. If I had the extra cash and space I would be ordering one myself. Congrats on the saw, from what I've heard and seen at my local woodcraft I'm sure you'll be happy.
                  -Paul

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                  • just started
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 642
                    • suburban Philly

                    #10
                    I just wish I had the space, there would be one here tomorrow.

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                    • dkerfoot
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 1094
                      • Holland, Michigan
                      • Craftsman 21829

                      #11
                      More agreement here.

                      A great saw plus a great innovation. It is far more than a "one trick pony."

                      It wasn't long ago that the average desktop PC sold between $3-5k. Your Sawstop will retain its value far longer than those 90MHz Pentium 1's did!

                      That is probably the only saw that I would consider "upgrading" to. However, as long as my shop remains 10' x 11', I'll have to stick with my 21829!

                      Please do keep us posted!
                      Doug Kerfoot
                      "Sacrificial fence? Aren't they all?"

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                      • Knottscott
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 3815
                        • Rochester, NY.
                        • 2008 Shop Fox W1677

                        #12
                        Boy, you really jumped in the deep end! Nice saw....gotta see some pics when it arrives!
                        Happiness is sort of like wetting your pants....everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth.

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                        • gsmittle
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 2793
                          • St. Louis, MO, USA.
                          • BT 3100

                          #13
                          +1 on what everybody said! A VERY nice saw. My son's scene shop got one in a year ago--an outstanding saw, rugged enough to last through teenagers banging on it, and the stop is good, too. Their rule is whoever triggers the brake buys the new brake and blade.

                          Unfortunately, it now has a rusty spot on the table from my drool...

                          g.
                          Smit

                          "Be excellent to each other."
                          Bill & Ted

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                          • poolhound
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 3196
                            • Phoenix, AZ
                            • BT3100

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gsmittle
                            +1 on what everybody said! A VERY nice saw. My son's scene shop got one in a year ago--an outstanding saw, rugged enough to last through teenagers banging on it, and the stop is good, too. Their rule is whoever triggers the brake buys the new brake and blade.

                            Unfortunately, it now has a rusty spot on the table from my drool...

                            g.
                            See - there is another great benefit of the BT with an aluminium table - No rusting Drool spots
                            Jon

                            Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
                            ________________________________

                            We all make mistakes and I should know I've made enough of them
                            techzibits.com

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                            • pacwind3
                              Established Member
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 257
                              • Vancouver, WA
                              • Bosch 4100

                              #15
                              Oh, I did forget to factor in one thing regarding my post on the powermatic: the blade. The shop I worked in wasn't buying anything special for blades. I don't even know what brand they were, no markings. I know they had good heavy carbide and we had a sharpening service in weekly. But seriously, I get much smoother cuts on my bt with a frued blade. I don't want to knock the powermatic, it's just that my experience with it wasn't anything close to making me consider laying down the cash for it.
                              That's just me though

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