Why does my bandsaw run backwards?

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  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 21992
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #16
    Shouldn't have to buy a new motor.

    the starter capacitor shades one of the windings to give it a phase shift that causes it to initially turn in the direction it does.

    By rewiring the capacitor to shade the other winding it can be made to start to turn in the opposite direction, I believe (but I've never had to do this before). Once started, a centrifugal switch disconnects the capacitor from the motor altogether.
    Anyway, that's the theory of how they work.

    From Wiki:

    Split-phase induction motor
    Another common single-phase AC motor is the split-phase induction motor[4], commonly used in major appliances such as washing machines and clothes dryers. Compared to the shaded pole motor, these motors can generally provide much greater starting torque by using a special startup winding in conjunction with a centrifugal switch.
    In the split-phase motor, the startup winding is designed with a higher resistance than the running winding. This creates an LR circuit which slightly shifts the phase of the current in the startup winding. When the motor is starting, the startup winding is connected to the power source via a set of spring-loaded contacts pressed upon by the not-yet-rotating centrifugal switch. The starting winding is wound with fewer turns of smaller wire than the main winding, so it has a lower inductance (L) and higher resistance (R). The lower L/R ratio creates a small phase shift, not more than about 30 degrees, between the flux due to the main winding and the flux of the starting winding. The starting direction of rotation may be reversed simply by exchanging the connections of the startup winding relative to the running winding..
    The phase of the magnetic field in this startup winding is shifted from the phase of the mains power, allowing the creation of a moving magnetic field which starts the motor. Once the motor reaches near design operating speed, the centrifugal switch activates, opening the contacts and disconnecting the startup winding from the power source. The motor then operates solely on the running winding. The starting winding must be disconnected since it would increase the losses in the motor.
    Last edited by LCHIEN; 06-20-2008, 10:40 AM.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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    • dewi1219
      Established Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 307
      • Birmingham, AL

      #17
      Originally posted by JR
      Mount it backwards.
      Thought about this already, but it would put the motor outside of the base of the saw and therefore require some inventive mounting brackets.

      Originally posted by scmhogg
      Can you put a twist in the belt?
      I thought about this too, and it seems to be the easiest solution, but it looks like the belt will rub on itself if I do this, and I'm not sure what kind of consequences that might have. Plus I have to figure out what length belt I need and find a source. Maybe one of those "make it yourself" belt kits would work(?)

      Originally posted by LCHIEN
      By rewiring the capacitor to shade the other winding it can be made to start to turn in the opposite direction, I believe
      This sounds really promising - I wish I knew how to do it. I wonder if an alternator/motor repair shop could do this inexpensively? May have to make a few calls.

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      • Tom Slick
        Veteran Member
        • May 2005
        • 2913
        • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
        • sears BT3 clone

        #18
        I agree that you should be able to change the wiring and make it run in the correct direction. basically you have two wires that need to be swapped. A motor shop could do it is about 3 minutes. a power tool, generator, or equipment repair shop could also do it.
        I just wanted to clarify that a "split phase" motor is not a "capacitor start" motor although they are very similar. split phase is an RL (resistor inductor) circuit using the resistance of the windings to shift ("split") the phase. a capacitor start is an RC (resistor capacitor) circuit using a capacitor to shift the phase for starting.
        If it has at least one "bump" on the motor it is a capacitor start. no "bumps" is a split phase.
        Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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        • cgallery
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2004
          • 4503
          • Milwaukee, WI
          • BT3K

          #19
          I seem to remember a discussion here about a drill press (I think) with the motor that turned in the wrong direction. It apparently had the type of motor that garage doors openers use, that auto-reverse on stall?

          Could it be the same issue?

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          • pecker
            Established Member
            • Jun 2003
            • 388
            • .

            #20
            Years ago our central air conditioner's condensor quit working. The HVAC guy replaced the compressor and the start cap. When he was finished, the fan on the top of the unit was spinning the wrong direction. I pointed this out to him, and he swore there was no way that it could be.

            After a bunch of arguing, he called his boss and talked it over. A few minutes later he reversed the connection to the start cap, and the fan ran the correct way.

            With the cap being an AC, not DC device, this makes no sense. But it worked.

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            • LCHIEN
              Super Moderator
              • Dec 2002
              • 21992
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #21
              Originally posted by Tom Slick
              I agree that you should be able to change the wiring and make it run in the correct direction. basically you have two wires that need to be swapped. A motor shop could do it is about 3 minutes. a power tool, generator, or equipment repair shop could also do it.
              I just wanted to clarify that a "split phase" motor is not a "capacitor start" motor although they are very similar. split phase is an RL (resistor inductor) circuit using the resistance of the windings to shift ("split") the phase. a capacitor start is an RC (resistor capacitor) circuit using a capacitor to shift the phase for starting.
              If it has at least one "bump" on the motor it is a capacitor start. no "bumps" is a split phase.
              i left off the wiki bit about the cap start motors... same basic principle.
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
              BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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              • dewi1219
                Established Member
                • Dec 2005
                • 307
                • Birmingham, AL

                #22
                Just wanted to post a quick update in the event that someone else has this problem in the future. After doing some more internet research, I finally got around to taking the motor off the saw to see how easily it could be reversed. Once I got it off, I found that the label on the bottom of the motor explained exactly which two wire terminals to switch to reverse the direction of rotation. I switched the terminals, put the motor back on, and it worked perfectly. Took about 5 minutes including removing and reinstalling the motor. By the way, there was also a label on the motor showing the direction of rotation from the factory, and it was indeed the opposite direction from what the saw required. The motor appears to be the original motor that came on the saw so I believe it has always been this way and the previous owner must have never used the saw enough to realize the problem. Thanks for everyone's input.
                Scott

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                • RAFlorida
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 1179
                  • Green Swamp in Central Florida. Gator property!
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #23
                  Glad to hear you got it going.

                  Did you ever hear about the guy whose drill ran backwards?! lol and it's for real.......

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