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  • ryan.s
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 785
    • So Cal
    • Ridgid TS3650

    #1

    Question about riving knife.

    Maybe someone can clear this up for me, what is the difference between a riving knife and splitter? My TS (ridgid 3650) has a blade guard/splitter assembly that tilts with the blade. Would this be considered a riving knife?
  • drumpriest
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 3338
    • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
    • Powermatic PM 2000

    #2
    No, that's a splitter and a guard. A riving knife sits directly behind the blade, travels up and down with the blade, as well as bevels. The shark guard includes a riving knife that also sits just below the top of the saw blade. This allows you to remove the guard and leave the riving knife in place for non-through cuts.

    The shark's clamp allows you to do this in a matter of seconds. Most saws sold in the US do NOT have riving knives.
    Keith Z. Leonard
    Go Steelers!

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    • ryan.s
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 785
      • So Cal
      • Ridgid TS3650

      #3
      So what is the exact definition of a riving knife. Is the only difference that it moves up and down with the blade? Just trying to understand. Thanks!

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      • Knottscott
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        • Dec 2004
        • 3815
        • Rochester, NY.
        • 2008 Shop Fox W1677

        #4
        Originally posted by ryan.s
        So what is the exact definition of a riving knife. Is the only difference that it moves up and down with the blade? Just trying to understand. Thanks!
        That's pretty much it...the difference is that moves up and down with the blade, and is typically positioned a little closer. They essentially accomplish the same thing, but a riving knife is a more elegant and effective solution.
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        • leehljp
          The Full Monte
          • Dec 2002
          • 8720
          • Tunica, MS
          • BT3000/3100

          #5
          Originally posted by ryan.s
          So what is the exact definition of a riving knife. Is the only difference that it moves up and down with the blade? Just trying to understand. Thanks!
          it moves up and down with the blade AND tilts with the blade.

          Your wording of "the only difference is" indicates that there might not really be much signicance between the two except for that, but the fact is there is a huge difference in safety. Many European countries REQUIRE this on machines built or sold there for the safety difference over a splitter.

          Because Riving Knives raise and lower with the blade, the riving knife can be shaped to fit curved just about 1/4 to 1/8 inch away from the back circumference of the blade itself, and that puts the knife much much closer to the blade at all times than does a splitter, thereby preventing more kickbacks.
          Hank Lee

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          • Russianwolf
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            • Jan 2004
            • 3152
            • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
            • One of them there Toy saws

            #6
            Originally posted by leehljp
            it moves up and down with the blade AND tilts with the blade.

            Your wording of "the only difference is" indicates that there might not really be much signicance between the two except for that, but the fact is there is a huge difference in safety. Many European countries REQUIRE this on machines built or sold there for the safety difference over a splitter.

            Because Riving Knives raise and lower with the blade, the riving knife can be shaped to fit curved just about 1/4 to 1/8 inch away from the back circumference of the blade itself, and that puts the knife much much closer to the blade at all times than does a splitter, thereby preventing more kickbacks.
            I think you just nailed it. All the riving knives I've seen are curved to the blade, while splitters are usually straight.
            Mike
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            • Knottscott
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              • Dec 2004
              • 3815
              • Rochester, NY.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Russianwolf
              I think you just nailed it. All the riving knives I've seen are curved to the blade, while splitters are usually straight.
              Not to pick on you Mike, but to clarify for the OP, there are several aftermarket and shop built splitters that are straight, but every stock splitter I've ever seen looked curved very much like this Delta pic:


              Several aftermarket splitters are curved too:

              Happiness is sort of like wetting your pants....everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth.

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              • LCHIEN
                Super Moderator
                • Dec 2002
                • 21827
                • Katy, TX, USA.
                • BT3000 vintage 1999

                #8
                a square is a specific version of a rectangle.

                My defs have a riving knife being a specific version of a splitter.
                A splitter is a thin pece of metal placed behind the blade mounted to the saw to keep the wood from closing up and pinching the blade hence redicing kickbacks. Somtimes the splitters are connected to the tilt mechanism allowing the splitter to be used for both vertical and beveled cuts.

                A riving knife is a splitter placed behind the blade and mounted not only to the saw but specifically the elevation and tilt mechanisms so that the riving knife rises falls, and tilts with the blade. Taking advantage of this property allows a knife to be placed in very close proximity to the blade following the curvature of the blade and being a fraction of an inch from the blade.
                Loring in Katy, TX USA
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                • ryan.s
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 785
                  • So Cal
                  • Ridgid TS3650

                  #9
                  Originally posted by leehljp
                  it moves up and down with the blade AND tilts with the blade.

                  Your wording of "the only difference is" indicates that there might not really be much signicance between the two except for that, but the fact is there is a huge difference in safety. Many European countries REQUIRE this on machines built or sold there for the safety difference over a splitter.

                  Because Riving Knives raise and lower with the blade, the riving knife can be shaped to fit curved just about 1/4 to 1/8 inch away from the back circumference of the blade itself, and that puts the knife much much closer to the blade at all times than does a splitter, thereby preventing more kickbacks.
                  Just to clarify the words "the only difference is" was referring to difference of the splitter assembly on the TS3650 vs the riving knife. In my original post I mentioned that my blade guard/splitter assembly does bevel with the blade.

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                  • ryan.s
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 785
                    • So Cal
                    • Ridgid TS3650

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LCHIEN
                    a square is a specific version of a rectangle.

                    My defs have a riving knife being a specific version of a splitter.
                    A splitter is a thin pece of metal placed behind the blade mounted to the saw to keep the wood from closing up and pinching the blade hence redicing kickbacks. Somtimes the splitters are connected to the tilt mechanism allowing the splitter to be used for both vertical and beveled cuts.

                    A riving knife is a splitter placed behind the blade and mounted not only to the saw but specifically the elevation and tilt mechanisms so that the riving knife rises falls, and tilts with the blade. Taking advantage of this property allows a knife to be placed in very close proximity to the blade following the curvature of the blade and being a fraction of an inch from the blade.
                    Thanks Loring! Very concise clear definition. Makes sense now.

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                    • mschrank
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                      • Oct 2004
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                      #11
                      Being that "riving" is a word more often read than heard, I'm not 100% sure of the pronunciation...is the first "i" long as in "live" or short as in "live"?

                      Isn't the english language fun?
                      Mike

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                      • LCHIEN
                        Super Moderator
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 21827
                        • Katy, TX, USA.
                        • BT3000 vintage 1999

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mschrank
                        Being that "riving" is a word more often read than heard, I'm not 100% sure of the pronunciation...is the first "i" long as in "live" or short as in "live"?

                        Isn't the english language fun?
                        haha - live or live.

                        Eye! (to the first question)
                        Aye! (to the second question)

                        English. so much fun...
                        Last edited by LCHIEN; 08-03-2006, 11:39 AM.
                        Loring in Katy, TX USA
                        If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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                        • RayintheUK
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                          • Sep 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mschrank
                          Being that "riving" is a word more often read than heard, I'm not 100% sure of the pronunciation...is the first "i" long as in "live" or short as in "live"?

                          Isn't the english language fun?
                          I've always heard it pronounced with a long first "i" as in "ryving"

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                          • LarryG
                            The Full Monte
                            • May 2004
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                            #14
                            I'm pretty sure it rhymes with "tomato."
                            Larry

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                            • Stytooner
                              Roll Tide RIP Lee
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 4301
                              • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
                              • BT3100

                              #15
                              Think bee hive.
                              Did you read that or is it something you read?

                              A splitter is not even necessarily metal. The little MJ splitters are polycarbonate and guys have used wood for these as well.

                              These two terms are so often generalized and swapped out that it is indeed difficult to pinpoint exactly what one or the other is.

                              There are different types of splitters made of different types of materials that do different things.
                              Then there are different types of riving knives. Some with more versatility than others.
                              The absolute deciding factor of whether you are looking at a splitter or a riving knife is whether it rises and falls with the blade.
                              All riving knives do this. Riving knives function as splitters, but are simply designed to be far better at doing the job of a splitter.
                              Lee

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