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  • Black wallnut
    cycling to health
    • Jan 2003
    • 4715
    • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
    • BT3k 1999

    #16
    Originally posted by LCHIEN
    Thanks, Mark, I read your comments after I posted my reply. Actually I recall there was no committee input after months, I think I suggested a list of representative questions as a starting point.
    I created 90% of the content from recollections and research and paraphrased a few people with credits given.
    That is exactly the point that I was trying to make and as always you have summarized it better!
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    • TheRic
      • Jun 2004
      • 1912
      • West Central Ohio
      • bt3100

      #17
      Loring:
      I think you did an excellent job on the FAQ. There is no way I could improve on it, specially at this time since I'm very much a newbie when it comes to the bt3000/bt3100.

      Being the intelligent person you are, I figured you have been watching this thread closely. I also figured that you and Sam talked a little about this thread BEFORE it was posted. In fact I even wondered if it was your idea to start with.


      Everyone:
      Not sure what Sam originally intended with this thread. "I" took it to be to expand the FAQ to include other woodworking items like, clamps, routers, miter saws, chisels, straight edges, etc. I never thought about changing the info on the BT3000/BT3100, not sure there is even much left to improve on, or add.

      My thinking is along the lines of since Jeff is working on the clamps, any additions, or modification to the clamps section would got thru him to help keep a even flow in that section. This is of course Jeff wants that responsibility. If there are any writers among use, maybe they might be willing to help proof the text for grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. (I know anything "I" did would need to be proofed ).
      Ric

      Plan for the worst, hope for the best!

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      • Tom Miller
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2003
        • 2507
        • Twin Cities, MN
        • BT3000 - Cuttin' it old school

        #18
        I think, for the time being, that Loring's FAQ should stand as is, and any wiki-ing should be saved for topics not already covered. If/when such wiki-ed material rises to the level of FAQ-ability, it could be turned over to Loring to add at his discretion.

        In the meantime, we'll find out if wiki-ing is useful and/or fun. Perhaps for starters, we could assign "moderators" on a topic-by-topic basis.

        Regards,
        Tom

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        • ChrisD
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2004
          • 881
          • CHICAGO, IL, USA.

          #19
          Mark makes a good point about preserving the integrity of the FAQ. I think equally important is the QUALITY of it, which I think Loring pointed out very well in his response. The quality - as well as the quantity and presentation - of the content is essentially why the document is so well acclaimed.

          I'm not saying this because I think the quality will decline as soon as other hands start touching the document, although that possibility exists no matter how much you restrict access to it. I think the only way to effectively restrict access in this case is to elect/select members by name - as opposed to qualification by post count or length of membership or reputation - to an authoring group.

          My personal opinion is that the expansion of the FAQ and the adoption of a method to maintain an expanded FAQ can begin outside of the "Loring FAQ". There should be no question as to the number of opportunities for creating additional FAQ's because "It's not just about the saw". Larry, for instance, has sowed the seeds for a router FAQ with his series of polls.

          Just my $0.02. Absolutely no offense meant to anyone.
          The war against inferior and overpriced furniture continues!

          Chris

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          • crokett
            The Full Monte
            • Jan 2003
            • 10627
            • Mebane, NC, USA.
            • Ryobi BT3000

            #20
            Originally posted by ChrisD
            I think equally important is the QUALITY of it, which I think Loring pointed out very well in his response. The quality - as well as the quantity and presentation - of the content is essentially why the document is so well acclaimed.
            .
            Chris,

            A wiki itself is inherently self-maintaining. With so many eyeballs looking at and editing it, I think the quality will still be there. I vote for the wiki.
            David

            The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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            • ChrisD
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2004
              • 881
              • CHICAGO, IL, USA.

              #21
              Originally posted by crokett
              Chris,

              A wiki itself is inherently self-maintaining. With so many eyeballs looking at and editing it, I think the quality will still be there. I vote for the wiki.
              Thanks, David. But I think it kinda goes back to Loring's Concern #4? Unless it truly is because it's so nearly perfect that no one's commenting on it.
              The war against inferior and overpriced furniture continues!

              Chris

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              • radhak
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2006
                • 3061
                • Miramar, FL
                • Right Tilt 3HP Unisaw

                #22
                Originally posted by crokett
                Chris,

                A wiki itself is inherently self-maintaining. With so many eyeballs looking at and editing it, I think the quality will still be there. I vote for the wiki.
                I second it for exactly the same sentiments. Do I see a poll coming up ?
                It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
                - Aristotle

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                • Sam Conder
                  Woodworker Once More
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 2502
                  • Midway, KY
                  • Delta 36-725T2

                  #23
                  Originally posted by radhak
                  I second it for exactly the same sentiments. Do I see a poll coming up ?
                  Nope. This one will just be a decision. I'm guessing about 99% Loring and 1% me. My 1% is whether or not I want to mess with installing the Wiki and vBulletin hook.
                  Sam Conder
                  BT3Central's First Member

                  "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas A. Edison

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                  • radhak
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 3061
                    • Miramar, FL
                    • Right Tilt 3HP Unisaw

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Sam Conder
                    Nope. This one will just be a decision. I'm guessing about 99% Loring and 1% me. My 1% is whether or not I want to mess with installing the Wiki and vBulletin hook.
                    Sorry, I should clarify - I was only referring to a wiki for an faq for other stuff, as Loring had suggested. I believe proprietary content should remain with the authors and not be dragged into the wiki.
                    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
                    - Aristotle

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                    • LCHIEN
                      Internet Fact Checker
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 21026
                      • Katy, TX, USA.
                      • BT3000 vintage 1999

                      #25
                      I feel a decision coming on...
                      I can see the benefit of a wiki when you have contribuors flung far and wide, each being a specialist in their field.

                      However, some circumstances at BT3 Central negate some of this.
                      1) I would venture to guess perhaps half of the worlds "experts" on BT3 care and feeding are tuned into the BT3central forum and contribute.
                      2) As a long term and avid reader and BT3 saw user I have had access to this knowledge, and the Forum articles are a repository for it.
                      3) Will an outsider come in and contribute some information not already revealed in the last 3 years? News, perhaps, but not technical knowledge.

                      Therefore, I think that the BT3 FAQ will remain a one-man item, I have been updating it recently with the demise of the 3100 and will either post it on a new webspace or have Sam deposit it in the articles section where it can be linked. I will make a few copies of the original editable MS Word files available in case I get run over by a "pimp in a white Cadillac" as my co-worker used to say when discussing saving important documents.

                      I have NOT recently run down the links to see which, if any, links are broken.
                      Is there a program that does this automatically or is it a manual process?
                      If manual, does anyone want to help identiy broken links or suggest other links that might be added??

                      As for the other topics, in the spirit of experimentation maybe a wiki could be started. Despite its alleged self-governing nature, at least some administration is required. Besides that, you may ask why if not ideal for the BT3 FAQ, why it is suggested for the other topics?

                      Well partly because we don't have the market cornered on experts on routers. We do have a lot of knowledgeable members, but unlike the BT3 saw, we do not have a prepeonderance of say 1617 users or PC895 users or Triton users. The question is whether we can encapcsulate the present body of knowledge into a single document.

                      I've considered putting together a HF 2HP DC FAQ together but maybe I'll wait and see.
                      Loring in Katy, TX USA
                      If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                      BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                      • TheRic
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1912
                        • West Central Ohio
                        • bt3100

                        #26
                        Originally posted by LCHIEN
                        ....I've considered putting together a HF 2HP DC FAQ ....
                        Most excellent idea!! With your article(s) on it, and your posts I can see that!!

                        Loring can be the first new FAQ into BT3Central's Wiki!!!!
                        Ric

                        Plan for the worst, hope for the best!

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                        • crokett
                          The Full Monte
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 10627
                          • Mebane, NC, USA.
                          • Ryobi BT3000

                          #27
                          I wasn't thinking of the Wiki being limited to just Loring's FAQ. I was thinking it might take the place of the articles. Instead of having an articles section, have a Wiki. The articles have to be moved anyway, so why not just move them to a Wiki? Unless of course all the articles are already in the FAQ.
                          David

                          The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                          • Sam Conder
                            Woodworker Once More
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 2502
                            • Midway, KY
                            • Delta 36-725T2

                            #28
                            Originally posted by crokett
                            I wasn't thinking of the Wiki being limited to just Loring's FAQ. I was thinking it might take the place of the articles. Instead of having an articles section, have a Wiki. The articles have to be moved anyway, so why not just move them to a Wiki? Unless of course all the articles are already in the FAQ.
                            Nope, I can't agree with that. An article is something an author has written and is their content. Even though I may be wrong, I don't want someone else editing my article. Now, if someone wants to write their own article on the same subject, by all means, have at it.

                            Now having a BT3 Wiki or a Woodworking Machinery Wiki or whatever, and having a collaborative effort to create a central source for information, I can dig that.
                            Sam Conder
                            BT3Central's First Member

                            "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas A. Edison

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                            • LarryG
                              The Full Monte
                              • May 2004
                              • 6693
                              • Off The Back
                              • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Sam Conder
                              Nope, I can't agree with that. An article is something an author has written and is their content.
                              {snip}
                              Now having a BT3 Wiki or a Woodworking Machinery Wiki or whatever, and having a collaborative effort to create a central source for information, I can dig that.
                              That's exactly what I assumed the wiki proposal to mean. Loring raised some excellent points yesterday, but I for one never thought there was any intent to turn his work into the beginnings of the wiki, with any and all given free reign to modify it in any way they saw fit.
                              Larry

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