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  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
    • 15218
    • So. Florida
    • Delta

    "Tails 1st" Dovetails

    It's as simple as this, or is it.
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  • Gator95
    Established Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 322
    • Atlanta GA
    • Ridgid 3660

    #2
    almost makes me want to go out and buy hand tools.
    almost.

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    • Pappy
      The Full Monte
      • Dec 2002
      • 10453
      • San Marcos, TX, USA.
      • BT3000 (x2)

      #3
      One of those skills that takes a lot of practice.
      Don, aka Pappy,

      Wise men talk because they have something to say,
      Fools because they have to say something.
      Plato

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      • LCHIEN
        Internet Fact Checker
        • Dec 2002
        • 20914
        • Katy, TX, USA.
        • BT3000 vintage 1999

        #4
        perfectly tuned sharp hand tools don't hurt a bit either.
        Loring in Katy, TX USA
        If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
        BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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        • poolhound
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2006
          • 3195
          • Phoenix, AZ
          • BT3100

          #5
          I think he has done that before
          Jon

          Phoenix AZ - It's a dry heat
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          • SARGE..g-47

            #6
            He's very good and uses the same tail's first method I learned from Ian Kirby in the mid 80's. I am not great with the fret saw and use my small 12" Jet BS to cut out waste before chiseling to the scribe line. Once you have done it numerous times... it is really not as complex as it might appear.

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            • drumpriest
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2004
              • 3338
              • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
              • Powermatic PM 2000

              #7
              I always marvel at people whose planes are that well tuned. Seems like it would take a good deal of work to get them there and keep them there. Of course you get results like these, so might be worth it.

              My idea of dovetails is setup the Leigh jig, hand cutting does look fun though...
              Keith Z. Leonard
              Go Steelers!

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              • Black wallnut
                cycling to health
                • Jan 2003
                • 4715
                • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
                • BT3k 1999

                #8
                Yeah Keith ya still SUCK! [] !

                Good sharp tools is the key, as is accurate layout, as is accurate scribing. Check that; really fine tools are a must for that level of precision with saw cuts to match. A fair amount of practise can not hurt either.
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                • crokett
                  The Full Monte
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 10627
                  • Mebane, NC, USA.
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #9
                  My chisels and dovetail saw are not as sharp as his. Sharp tools is the biggesttime saver there.
                  David

                  The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                  • shoottx
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 1240
                    • Plano, Texas
                    • BT3000

                    #10
                    I think it is a response to the true master of quick dovetails Frank Klausz. While he is profiecent( way better than me) it does not appear to be as effortless as Frank's method.

                    I have had the pleasure of watching Frank Klausz cut dovetails by hand and he does it effortlessly with a lot fewer tools. Having had the opportunity to meet Frank, his one overriding approach is does it make sense for a production shop. Or will the tools earn their keep in a production shop.

                    Judge for yourself http://sandal-woodsblog.com/2008/11/...pins-vs-tails/
                    Often in error - Never in doubt

                    Mike

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                    • atgcpaul
                      Veteran Member
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 4055
                      • Maryland
                      • Grizzly 1023SLX

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LCHIEN
                      perfectly tuned sharp hand tools don't hurt a bit either.
                      Working with soft pine also helps a lot, too! The guy does have considerable
                      skill, though.

                      Unless I have a kitchen full of drawers to do (again), I do mine by hand. I
                      really don't like the machined look.

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                      • jziegler
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 1149
                        • Salem, NJ, USA.
                        • Ryobi BT3100

                        #12
                        I recently took a class on hand tool joinery at the local woodcraft, and tails first is the way we were taught. But, we spent more time marking, didn't cut right to the line, didn't use a fret saw, and then used chisels to pare the joint to fit. Same basic idea, but more time consuming. Very impressive to watch it done at that speed.

                        Jim

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                        • chopnhack
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3779
                          • Florida
                          • Ryobi BT3100

                          #13
                          I just recently practice on some ripped down 2x4 scrap pine and was less than enthused with the results, I guess i shouldnt have skipped that squaring and flattening your stock step

                          Anyways, there is a great video of Frank doing his thing - a clip from an old taunton video, enjoy....

                          Frank Klausz Dovetail a Drawer by handA preview taken from TAUNTON (c) DVDhttp://www.taunton.com/dvd


                          I love his accent! The one thing that was not shown was the adjusting the pins or tails to fit - i guess thats something that FK doesnt need to do.
                          I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

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                          • tribalwind
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 847
                            • long island, ny.

                            #14
                            Frank Klausz's seminars are great'
                            he's come to demo and talk at our WW club quite a few times,real entertainer

                            theres a few videos with him in our old video recordings. i wish they kept up with putting them online, the rest now are all in the member-book/vid library.
                            he made hand dovetails look like childsplay
                            namaste, matthew http://www.tribalwind.com

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                            • drumpriest
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3338
                              • Pittsburgh, Pa, USA.
                              • Powermatic PM 2000

                              #15
                              Check it out guys, my 3001st post. Anyway, atgcpaul, big reason for purchasing the Leigh jig, it's not so obviously machined with the infinitely variable spacing. You still get a bit of that because of the perfect fit, I suppose.
                              Keith Z. Leonard
                              Go Steelers!

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