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  • pelligrini
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4217
    • Fort Worth, TX
    • Craftsman 21829

    #1

    Do it Yourself

    I usually follow that rule, and not following it really cost me.

    Saturday, my daughter was upstairs taking a shower and then I noticed some bubbles coming up in the downstairs toilet. Then I noticed some water backing up in the bathtub. She was done before I could tell her to cut the water off. OK, stopped up sewer line, been here before.

    I hook up one of those expandable pressure fittings to my garden hose and feed it into the cleanout in the backyard. I crank the water on and quickly move inside to see what's going on in the bathroom. It's not working too well, so I tried the pressure with a little toilet plunging. After about a dozen times of cutting the water on, plunging, turning the water off before the toilet overflows. I gave it a break.

    My wife got home and I had her cut the water on and off a couple times. That would save me a little effort running back and forth. It still wasn't moving. I left another message with a buddy who is a plumber.

    Tried my little 20' snake on it and it did no good. OK, let's try the pressure thing again.

    Here's were it gets interesting.... The water was starting to fill up the toilet again so I hollered at my wife to cut it off. She says it's off, except that the toilet keeps rising, and rising. I really seat the plunger and slow the flow into the toilet a little. Too late, the toilet over flows. I yell at my wife to get a bucket and a mop, quickly. The water keeps flowing, and now it's coming into the tub. Getting agitated, I yell something about "Where's the da** bucket" The water in the bathroom is getting deep, nice, it's spilling over the threshold onto the carpet. I'm bailing the toilet with a cup I found nearby, the other hand is trying to hold the plunger in place.

    I’m bailing as quick as I can. The water keeps flowing. My wife comes in with the bucket and mop complaining about me yelling at her. And exclaims ‘Oh my’ when she sees the problem. I asked her if she is sure the water is off in a very abrasive way. She runs off, I hear the back door close again. I hear her exclaim ‘It’s out here too”, from the hall. I loudly asked her again if the water is off, and she says “Now it’s off” just as the flow starts to slow in the bathroom.

    While I was in the bathroom making a futile attempt to stop the flow from the toilet and make it back up into the bathtub, I didn’t realize that the black water with the wonderful smell was flowing up through the AC condensate drain in the hall.

    Lovely, just lovely…

    I could go on about sucking it up with a shop vac, her comment about “look on the bright side, at least we’ll get some new carpet out of this” My explanation about an $1,800 deductible and where I don’t have a money tree growing, the big pile of carpet and padding out in the drive, getting bit**ed at for missing another Saturday Date, the extra Roto-rooter bill for coming out on a Sunday, or the roots and feminine products lodged in them, but I won’t.

    Needless to say, most of my shop time got shot this weekend.
    Last edited by pelligrini; 08-26-2008, 02:54 PM.
    Erik
  • dkerfoot
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2004
    • 1094
    • Holland, Michigan
    • Craftsman 21829

    #2
    Originally posted by pelligrini
    I usually follow that rule, and not following it really cost me.
    Hmmm... Seems like letting the plumber do it would have saved money this time.
    I personally don't see your wife as the one making the biggest mistakes here...
    Doug Kerfoot
    "Sacrificial fence? Aren't they all?"

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    • Ed62
      The Full Monte
      • Oct 2006
      • 6021
      • NW Indiana
      • BT3K

      #3
      Wow! Sorry you had such a bad day. Maybe you'll be able to laugh about it at some time in the future.

      Ed
      Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

      For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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      • cabinetman
        Gone but not Forgotten RIP
        • Jun 2006
        • 15216
        • So. Florida
        • Delta

        #4
        I guess that settles it that s**t doesn't alway go downhill. This is the perfect time to watch THIS.
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        • LCHIEN
          Super Moderator
          • Dec 2002
          • 22054
          • Katy, TX, USA.
          • BT3000 vintage 1999

          #5
          well, I've had my share of DIY screwups, too.
          The Air conditioning secondary drain was dripping water out the overflow hose So I went up to the attic to find the PVC hose connected to the evaporator coil drain was cracked and leaking - probably because the original installer had left it hanging on its own weight, the thin wall PVC had cracked where it went into the first fitting.

          SO I decide rather than just glue it together I would redo the whole thing. Theres a steel nipple coming out of the plenum and has a plastic transition fitting and that fitting was what broke. So I goe to the store and get all the PVC fittings I need including a 3/4NPT threaded fitting to go on the end of the steel nipple.

          When I go to unthread the old broken plastic fitting off, I use a pair of slip joint pliers to turn the platic part, I feel the steel nipple twist a bit and something crack in the plenum and water start to leak out. Well, I use a second pair of pliers to hold the nipple then turn the platic fitting off with second pliers and fix the plumbing part. So I called the AC repairman, he tells me I've broken the pan on the evaporator coil and it will cot me $1600. Of course this was Saturday morning in August in Houston so we had to do without A/C unitl Monday because he could n't get the part.

          So it appears that the nipple is welded into the steel pan at the bottom of the evap coil, and in twisting the nipple I twisted the sheet metal pan, which being rusty and 16 years old cracked the pan and made the huge leak. The A/C guy consoled me that the pan would have rusted through shortly anyway and 16 years was not a bad lifetime. Still, had I backed up the pliers the first time I would not have cracked the pan and it might have lasted a few more years.
          Loring in Katy, TX USA
          If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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          • MilDoc

            #6
            Heh heh heh. I refuse to talk about my DIY screwups, but after a few I decided unless I really know what I'm doing, I pay to have it done.

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            • Hellrazor
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2003
              • 2091
              • Abyss, PA
              • Ridgid R4512

              #7
              I have to make judgement calls at work on whether to handle items inhouse or call a contractor. So I don't have too many blowups from the DIY department. I can't remember the last DIY job I didn't do myself though...

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              • eccentrictinkerer
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2007
                • 669
                • Minneapolis, MN
                • BT-3000, 21829

                #8
                I don't generally clean out sewers but on occasion I'll help out a good customer on a weekend.

                In about half the cases, the blockage is caused by "feminine products". To prove that this an avoidable experience I have them place one of these little buggers in a glass of water. That convinces them.

                I't's not a fun topic to broach, but it can save them some serious money. Roto-Rooter on 'Golden Time' is incredible!
                You might think I haven't contributed much to the world, but a large number
                of the warning labels on tools can be traced back to things I've done...

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                • jking
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2003
                  • 972
                  • Des Moines, IA.
                  • BT3100

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dkerfoot
                  Hmmm... Seems like letting the plumber do it would have saved money this time.
                  I personally don't see your wife as the one making the biggest mistakes here...
                  Ouch, harsh...

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                  • cgallery
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 4503
                    • Milwaukee, WI
                    • BT3K

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pelligrini
                    ...and she says “Now it’s off” just as the flow starts to slow in the bathroom.
                    Wives: You gotta love 'em.

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                    • iceman61
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 699
                      • West TN
                      • Bosch 4100-09

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pelligrini
                      ....and she says “Now it’s off” just as the flow starts to slow in the bathroom....
                      You need to introduce her to the old saying..."Lefty loosey, righty tighty"

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                      • JimD
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4187
                        • Lexington, SC.

                        #12
                        Asking LOML to help me with anything rarely has a happy ending. It nearly always takes less time to do it than to give her what she considers an adequate explanation of what I want her to do. Looking and thinking are never a solution. Huge amounts of talking is absolutely required - and even then it may not go well. Fortunately my son moved back into the area. And there are usually neighbors around.

                        Sorry to hear of your mess. I uncolog sinks and will plunger a commode but if it's worse than that, I call a plumber. On a weekend evening, I would have probably done the same thing, however.

                        Jim

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                        • dkerfoot
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1094
                          • Holland, Michigan
                          • Craftsman 21829

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jking
                          Ouch, harsh...
                          Sorry, but I think all the harshness was on his part towards his wife.

                          If I told a story of trying to crosscut a 4" x 8' plank into two 4' sections using the rip-fence and then blamed the bad result on my wife because she tripped the wrong breaker when I started screaming that things were going wrong, would I get sympathy?

                          I am not a plumber, but to attach a hose to the sewer pipe and force water backwards into the house is begging for trouble.
                          1. Sewer pipes are built for one-way, low pressure flow
                          2. Sewer pipes are full of... sewage
                          3. A house's drain system is not closed - it has lots of vents and traps all of which are going to offer an easier flow path than a clogged pipe
                          4. He probably doesn't just have a ruined carpet, he probably now has feces in all of his sink traps, his garbage disposal, his dishwasher, etc...
                          5. He may very well have leaky drain pipes throughout his home.


                          This was a very bad plan from the start. He was in charge. After the ship runs aground, it is too late for the Captain to blame the helmsman because they didn't know Port from Starboard.

                          Trust me - I have many, many stories to tell of my doing dumber things than this. My only point is that it is unfair to blame an innocent bystander (and unwise to blame someone who brings more important benefits to one's life).
                          Doug Kerfoot
                          "Sacrificial fence? Aren't they all?"

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                          • JimD
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 4187
                            • Lexington, SC.

                            #14
                            Doug,

                            Drain lines are not supply lines but the pipes will easily take the supply pressure. Take a look at the thickness of the two pipes next time you are in the home center. Better yet, look at the pressure rating. I think schedule 40 drains, the normal stuff, is 250 psi. Supply pressure should be under 100 psi.

                            Using a water jet to clear a pipe is an acceptable technique, not something silly. Using it intermittently is being careful - as long as the hand on the valve really shuts it off.

                            Expecting a family member to turn off the water when asked is not asking too much IMHO.

                            Jim

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                            • shoottx
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2008
                              • 1240
                              • Plano, Texas
                              • BT3000

                              #15
                              The real question is "what are the boating and fishing dates for the newly opened Lake Pelligrini"
                              Often in error - Never in doubt

                              Mike

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