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  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 22025
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #1

    Updating the BT3 FAQ -handwheels

    The following is my latest edit on the handwheel. Based upon several discussions in the last months. Can anyone shed light on whether the 21829 handwheel fits the BT3000 and 3100? To do so it would have to have the same 7/16" Square shaft? Can a 21829 owner measure it?

    I broke my Handwheel - Elevation/bevel crank handle. What to do?Early BT3000 crank handles (handwheels) are cast aluminum. The later BT3000 crank is heavy-duty plastic. The plastic handle has more smooth finish and rounded cross-section, and most importantly has filled in the semicircular openings with decals depicting the direction to turn for up and down.
    The BT3100 crank handle is not only plastic, it’s lighter-duty plastic than the BT3000 with a yellow hub, and the jury is split as to whether it’s god-awful ugly, makes the saw look like a play-skool toy, or its just cool.
    The crank handle is held onto the shaft with a socket head cap screw. Its been reported on the BT3000 it’s held with some sort of locking glue which is almost impossible to break loose. If the handle is broken, anyway, apparently heating the cap screw will break the bond and you can get the cap screw off the shaft.
    The shaft is 7/16th, not a standard shaft diameter, The crank handle engages the square end of the shaft with a square recess. You can get a replacement from Ryobi’s parts suppliers which is not cheap and you’ll still have a plastic handle.
    Or get the Craftsman 22811 saw version which is cast metal but requires an adapter. You’ll need item #36, a 981817-001 adapter, ($9.09), and item #35, a 977277-002 Handwheel Assy ($9.99) and a ¼-20 by 1" capscrew (at your local hardware store). You’ll need to specify the saw model 315.228110. Here’s a
    link to order them. Note: as of 7/19/2009 users report item #36 is no longer available from Sears.
    It has been suggested that maybe a handle from the Sears 21829 (model 315.218290) at $10 and available at
    www3.sears.com will fit, but this has not been confirmed.
    Some have bought handles from other industrial suppliers but some modifications are needed because the standard shaft diameter for table saws and tools is 3/8th inches.
    Jim Frye beefed up his BT3100 handle to make it stronger and stiffer. Basically it involves laying the handle face down and level, then filling the backside with #7-1/2 lead shot and epoxy to stiffen and give it more heft.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
    BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions
  • eccentrictinkerer
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2007
    • 669
    • Minneapolis, MN
    • BT-3000, 21829

    #2
    FWIW, I just checked the handwheel shaft on my 22811 (BT3000 clone).

    It's a round shaft with two opposing flats.

    J.D.
    You might think I haven't contributed much to the world, but a large number
    of the warning labels on tools can be traced back to things I've done...

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    • chopnhack
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 3779
      • Florida
      • Ryobi BT3100

      #3
      LOL, I love the cheesy hand drawing on the sears website regarding what parts are included in #8 vs #9. Apparently a 1/4" x 20 bolt is $5+ dollar difference! Can any owner of the 21829 give us the length of the 1/4" x 20 bolt? I am sure we can do better than $5 for the one bolt. I think we can get several feet of it as all rod and have left over for jig making
      I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

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      • LCHIEN
        Super Moderator
        • Dec 2002
        • 22025
        • Katy, TX, USA.
        • BT3000 vintage 1999

        #4
        bumping this again - as there's no answer yet. Aren't there some 21829 users out there that can check their wheel?
        Loring in Katy, TX USA
        If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
        BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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        • Bill in Buena Park
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 1867
          • Buena Park, CA
          • CM 21829

          #5
          Thanks for bumping, Loring - I had previously missed this thread. I'll check my 21829 when I get home tonight.
          Bill in Buena Park

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          • Bill in Buena Park
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 1867
            • Buena Park, CA
            • CM 21829

            #6
            Took these pictures of the 21829 handwheel and mount tonight - hope they are helpful.
            Attached Files
            Bill in Buena Park

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            • LCHIEN
              Super Moderator
              • Dec 2002
              • 22025
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              Bill can you measure the dia of the round part of the shaft and also the distance across the flats on the shaft in your last pic? I hope you have some calipers...

              And, is that a 1/4-20 allen head screw ithat holds the wheel on?
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
              BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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              • Bill in Buena Park
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 1867
                • Buena Park, CA
                • CM 21829

                #8
                Loring,
                The bolt is an allen-head, appears to be 1/4-20. The shaft is ~0.43in diameter, and ~0.33in across the flat. I didn't measure the bolt length, but I think it was around an inch.
                Last edited by Bill in Buena Park; 09-24-2009, 11:10 PM.
                Bill in Buena Park

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                • LCHIEN
                  Super Moderator
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 22025
                  • Katy, TX, USA.
                  • BT3000 vintage 1999

                  #9
                  very, very odd sizes... not even 1/16ths or 1/32nds even, and not metric. What are they thinking?
                  Loring in Katy, TX USA
                  If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                  BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                  • Bill in Buena Park
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 1867
                    • Buena Park, CA
                    • CM 21829

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LCHIEN
                    very, very odd sizes... not even 1/16ths or 1/32nds even, and not metric. What are they thinking?
                    If they were shooting for a 7/16in or 11mm diameter on the shaft, the tolerance was close, but a little bit off. Across the flats, ~0.33in is fairly close to 5/16, but again, slightly out of tolerance. But for fitting a plastic handwheel, using 7/16 and 5/16 is probably "close enough".
                    Bill in Buena Park

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                    • Bill in Buena Park
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 1867
                      • Buena Park, CA
                      • CM 21829

                      #11
                      Loring,
                      I didn't think to check - but is their any taper on the shaft for the BT3s?
                      Bill in Buena Park

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                      • Uncle Cracker
                        The Full Monte
                        • May 2007
                        • 7091
                        • Sunshine State
                        • BT3000

                        #12
                        I thought I read somewhere that a metal handwheel was available from Sears, and have passed on that suggestion before. Did I make a boo-boo?

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                        • Don Rideout
                          Forum Newbie
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 16
                          • Ottawa, Canada
                          • BT3100

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
                          I thought I read somewhere that a metal handwheel was available from Sears, and have passed on that suggestion before.
                          Would you know what the part number for the handle is by any chance? I've replaced my handle once already and would like to get something a bit sturdier if I can.
                          Don

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                          • LCHIEN
                            Super Moderator
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 22025
                            • Katy, TX, USA.
                            • BT3000 vintage 1999

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Don Rideout
                            Would you know what the part number for the handle is by any chance? I've replaced my handle once already and would like to get something a bit sturdier if I can.
                            the point of the thread questions was to determine if the new 21829 handles will fit the older BT3000/3100 saws, apparently, not. people are saying that the old handles are unavailable and the adapter which makes the sears version handles fit is also unavailable.
                            Loring in Katy, TX USA
                            If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                            BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                            • Norm in Fujino
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 534
                              • Fujino-machi, Kanagawa-ken, Japan.
                              • Ryobi BT-3000

                              #15
                              I appreciate this thread, since it got me to thinking about my own handle. I'm of the "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" school--I go by instinct and try to develop a feel for never forcing anything--but it might be a good idea to go ahead and epoxy my handle solid (not sure where I can get bb's here in Japan, tho).
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