HF Dust Collector Ad $159...Just need the 20% now..

[dbarnett]

I found this on another thread, so I can't claim that I found this myself. I am just spreading the news.

Here is the thread:

http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...fpart=all&vc=1

Here is the ad, just scroll down.

http://www.harborfreightsalvage.com/

Even with the 10% discount the DC is a great buy, but I just need to be a little more greedy...LOL

Dan - San Diego

[venkatbo]

Hi Dan,

From what I've read, a 1micron filter is really beneficial over a 30micron bag that comes with the HF model... If it is true that humans can get affected badly by particles .1-10microns, I think the Delta 50-760 (Best value in latest FWW mag) at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=228013
may be a very good deal... Right now it is $317-75 = 242 free shipping no tax.

Whereas, if you add the 1micron bag to the HF (even at 10% discount) woud be: 160-16=144+76(bag)=$220 -> ~240 with tax... not to mention the extra effort involved in the retrofit, possibly resulting in an inaccurate fit...

imho, I think the fully integral Delta at the jungle is a good deal...
Just a thought.

Best,
/venkat

[LinuxRandal]

On the old software, I had posted last October, the ad, that they placed again, in January's Wood magazine, HF ad. It shows the dust collector on sale for $159.xx till April. I bought it, and used the 20% for $137 and some change, after tax. I am still going to do the Wyn cartridge filter, and a neutral vane mod. But he is right, if you can get the Delta (larger impeller, better bags, to start with) for around $20 to $40 more, with free shipping, you might be better off to start that way.


As for the ad, check Wood Magazine, October 2005, and January 2006 at your local library.

How much money is your time worth?

[maxparot]

One thing to consider is the Bag vs. the Cartridge filter. There is no doubt that the cartridge offers a larger surface area and will work longer without clogging. The conversion from bags to Cartridge is a very simple one that can be completed in less than 1/2 hour. If you go for the cartridge from the beginning you'll be ahead of the game. It has better airflow and longer run time without maintenance. If you are going to compare apples to apples how much is the Delta with a Cartridge. With a 1 micron bag on the Delta vs a Cartridge equipped HF I'd be willing to bet the HF Will flow more CFM due to the greater surface area of the filter being less restrictive than the 1 mic bag as the 2 filter get dirty this effect will become more pronounced.

To sum it up a 2hp HF DC with a cartridge filter is still a better value than the Delta with a bag and will proform better too! Put a cartridge on the Delta and it will proform better but at what cost?

[430752]

I guess some don't want to cartridge their dc? I always thought the budgie way to go was the HF with Wynn? Should be cheaper (145 + 90) than the triangle thing with 1 micron bag, altho' shipping or taxes might eat somma that up.

me? I'm waiting for Dyson to make something for the shop.

curt j.

[wassaw998]

The FWW review took a grouping of single stage DC's and put the Wynn Cartridge on them, and then ran CFM tests - so they were all tested on an even playing field. Of the grouping, only 3 were able to muster enough CFM to even be rated as "passing" the bare basics, the rest flunked. That is, all had a WYNN Cart and most could not make it on CFM, who knows what they would have done with their stock bags. Unfortunately the HF was not one of the units they tested. However, I have seen testing of the HF which showed both the CFM and HP that HF advertises are not even close. Based on that, all we could do would be to guess as to would the HF pass or not. I'd recommend the FWW article for anyone considering a single stage DC purchase. Also, although I own a HF DC, were I to recommend a DC, I'd recommend the Delta 50-760 with the bag, which by the way, is supposed to be a very good quality bag.

[venkatbo]

Does anyone know if the Delta DC unit can be converted to a cartridge unit later on ?

If that is the case, then the apples-to-apples (costwise, featurewise) comparison indicates the Delta unit to be of a real good value and is usable right out of the bag with no extra work on our part... Placing this unit just outside the shop may also be a good compromized solution, just to ensure all particles <1micron in size are not deposited in the shop...

Thanks,
/venkat

[just4funsies]

Just saw the Delta 50-760 at a woodworking show this past weekend. I have been convinced by the specs that it is the best choice, and I still am, but one thing I did not realize is how big this thing is. It is HUGE... nearly 8 feet tall, and the cart it's mounted on is a good 2 feet by 4 feet footprint. There are two reasons for this. The lower (chip) bag is clear plastic, and no air flows through it, and the 1-mike upper bag has to pass the whole 1200-cfm through a very tight mesh. Therefore that upper bag has to be GIMUNDOUS. I swear, a family of four could live very comfortably in it. My garage/shop has 10-foot ceilings, so vertical clearance is not a problem, but I'm gonna have to find some extra floor space if I'm gonna use this sucker.

[JackAZ]

venkatbo, I thank you for the common sense and application of arithmetic to th DC options. I had about determined to go for the HF solution albeit with some misgivings when I saw your post on the Delta. Result is I have one (the 50-760) on order and am delighted that I wont have to be creative in assembling and retrofitting a DC. Some tasks of this kind are inviting...I enjoyed adapting the Herc-U-Lift for my BT3...but somehow the multiple posts on the isssues with the HF seemed daunting.

Now after having used search engines for decades, I seem to be out of touch with our new one here and would be grateful if you or anyone could steer me towards machine-specific DC devices that will be effective for BS, DP, CMS, routers, and OSS and ROS's.

[just4funsies]

Wow! Amazon has dropped the price on the 50-760 DC to $297 (it was $317 yesterday). Unfortunately, what this means is that you will no longer be able to get the current $75 off promotion, unless you order a second item, which will no doubt be shipped seperately, and will cost for shipping, unless that second item is also costly enough to get free shipping. Net result is that their price "reduction" has resulted in an increase of $55 on the DC by itself. I called them about it, and was told, point-blank, that it's just too bad, and they would do nothing to help me out and keep the order, including mark up the price, or sell at yesterday's price, so that the discount would apply. I am still pissed off...

[Chuck In Oregon]

Wow! Amazon has dropped the price on the 50-760 DC to $297 (it was $317 yesterday). Unfortunately, what this means is that you will no longer be able to get the current $75 off promotion, unless you order a second item, which will no doubt be shipped seperately, and will cost for shipping, unless that second item is also costly enough to get free shipping. Net result is that their price "reduction" has resulted in an increase of $55 on the DC by itself. I called them about it, and was told, point-blank, that it's just too bad, and they would do nothing to help me out and keep the order, including mark up the price, or sell at yesterday's price, so that the discount would apply. I am still pissed off...

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Thanks for the heads-up. I've had one in my cart for a while and now I'm going to order it today. I doubt that we'll ever be able to beat that price, especially after the great magazine review. That's probably why they are now back-ordered, but I can wait.

It shouldn't be all that hard to bring the order up by another $2.02. I've been thinking that the Sheffield WH58003 2 Piece Antique Tool Set plus the freebies that go with it for, what, $18 is a good deal, even if I give them away to one of my kids or SIL. Makes a good small gift and fits my criterion of "minimum effort, maximum credit".

Chill. Life is good.

Chuck

[JackAZ]

just4funsies...I think the second item will still ship for free, as long as the total order qualifies. You can always use some dc fittings at $3 plus?

[just4funsies]

Tried that... Most DC fittings (I tried adapters, elbows, clamps) ship from a 3rd party, and get no shipping discount. Amazon does that with alot of small-ticket items (it doesn't pay them to stock them). Result: $4 worth of items and $11.00 shipping cost. Bummer. I'll probably find something I can use that Amazon ships from stock, but right now I'm just too pissed about the cavalier attitude I got from them to think about it.

[venkatbo]

just4funsies,

On a couple of occassions, I felt their PR skills were lacking... Got off the phone, and a few minutes later, talked to another cust.serv.rep... and got the thing resolved... Unlike these machines we buy, I guess no two cust.serv.reps are alike Many follow scripts blindly... Every now and then they do digress - and become reasonable humans ;!)

Best,
/venkat

[JackAZ]

Tried that... Most DC fittings (I tried adapters, elbows, clamps) ship from a 3rd party, and get no shipping discount.

I found a few adaptors and other parts that qualify...Was able to cancel yesterdays order and reorder at the new price and am even happier than yesterday.