Hoo Rah !!! WWII Vets defy order...

[chopnhack]

Interesting religious advertisement on that video. I might not have known that science is wrong and religion is right had I not watched your link. Guess that's the risk of citing "sources" that are not credible.

Front page for this tabloid has an article about the conspiracy surrounding the JFK assassination - who knew?

The ads had nothing to do with the op post or his intent. I will let the mods weigh in on this one, however, IMHO the post has nothing to do with politics or religion. It has to do with law as you yourself pointed out.

Interesting how you think: <<Originally Posted by woodturner View Post
It is sad they have so little respect for the laws of the country they fought to uphold. Would have expected better from other vets.>>

You do realize that these groups of veterans often have to plan these trips months in advance, with funding arranged for them from outside sources. If you were the State Park Officer, would you have really turned them away? It's shameful to me to even think it and I am surprised by an educated person as yourself to have even said this...

[toolguy1000]

.......Would have expected better from other vets....

what should be expected is better and more mature behavior by the 535 disgraceful individuals that are in the house and senate.

[chopnhack]

what should be expected is better and more mature behavior by the 535 disgraceful individuals that are in the house and senate.

Many of whom are not vets... in the senate ~20% are vets. When I was born it was closer to 70%. Something about serving and understanding from the military aspect prior to serving at a higher level of government is lost on most....

[annunaki]

Well Said Chopnhack

I have found that sometimes in life, there are times where the only way to have an intelligent debate with a particular person, is only if they can find someone to fill in for them.

[annunaki]

"You do realize that these groups of veterans often have to plan these trips months in advance, with funding arranged for them from outside sources."

I hadn't heard much about the HONOR FLIGHT group that Lonnie just joined, but I found this which supports what you said Chopnhack.
What a great bunch of People !



An Honor Flight is conducted by non-profit organizations dedicated to transporting as many United States military veterans as possible to see the memorials of the respective war(s) they fought in Washington, D.C. at no cost to the veterans. Currently these organizations are focused on bringing veterans of World War II to the National World War II Memorial, and any veteran with a terminal illness to see the memorial of the war they fought in. Organizers plan to "naturally transition" their programs to focus on veterans of the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and subsequent wars as the veterans of those wars get older.[1][2]

The veterans on the honor flights are escorted by volunteer guardians, who help them on the flight and around D.C.. The flights arrive in any of Washington's three area airports: Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport, and Washington Dulles International Airport. Southwest Airlines is the official commercial airline of the Honor Flight Network, though the network utilizes many national airlines.[3] An honor flight of 100 people, including veterans and volunteers, costs about $30,000, which is covered by donations with assistance from the airline.[4]

[Cochese]

Yes, with the following rules:"This forum is for any topic that you would normally talk about at the office "around the coffee pot". ... I only ask that you steer away from topics on religion or politics. "

So it seems this political discussion would be off-topic for this forum.

We have been asked to keep the focus on woodworking, perhaps we could respect the direction of the moderators and avoid the political and off-topic discussions.

http://www.bt3central.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=14

Veterans breaking into the WWII memorial is not political, even though the events related to it are. This is certainly something I would hear discussed, or would discuss myself, even after walking away from a career in politics/International Affairs due to disgust.

You aren't required to read a thread, and you certainly aren't required to respond. If you were that concerned about a political post you should have just reported it.

If this place is going to be 100% woodworking we might as well abandon it, because there aren't enough members or discussion to bring page views to keep it running.

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[annunaki]

Here's another Guy I admire- Actor Gary Sinese

His Group:

At the Gary Sinise Foundation, we serve our Nation by honoring our defenders, veterans, first responders, their families, and those in need.

We do this by creating and supporting unique programs designed to entertain, educate, inspire, strengthen, and build communities.

The Nation that forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten- Calvin Coolidge

http://www.garysinisefoundation.org/

[annunaki]

Since the issue of "Law" was brought up, I found this interesting (parts edited to avoid political party reference)

....Wayne Lennep, a volunteer with the Mississippi Coast Guard Honor Flight group, said the trip had been planned for months for a group of 91 veterans as well as family members and escorts. Their chartered plane left Gulfport, Miss., on Tuesday morning.

The veterans were met at the memorial by Sen. Roger Wicker and Reps. Steven Palazzo, Alan Nunnelee and Gregg Harper, . Other lawmakers joined as well. Lennep said Wicker and Palazzo have met the veterans on previous trips.

Palazzo told the Mississippi Press of Pascagoula that he moved the barricades.

"We cannot deprive our veterans of coming here," Palazzo said of moving the barricades. "This is their day.

Rep. Michele Bachmann was out walking in her shorts and long-sleeved t-shirt when she got a panicked email from another member of Congress, she said. She came to the memorial and began taking pictures. Another lawmaker cut the tape, and the lawmakers escorted the veterans in, Bachmann said. Several lawmakers plan to continue coming to the memorial to ensure veterans can visit, she said.

"I couldn't believe my eyes," Bachmann said. "It was big buses and a narrow strip of sidewalk, and there were all these veterans standing here behind police tape and they're prevented from going in to see the memorial."

Lennep said blocking off the memorial seemed excessive.

"I don't really understand why they would have barricaded veterans out of their own memorial anyway," he said. "If there are people there guarding it to keep people out, they could watch people as they visit."


So the bottom line here is that these LAWMAKERS moved the barricades and opened it up.

[TB Roye]

Where is the politics? Don't see anybody calling out either political party or specific person.

Because some WWII Vets moved some barriers to see the memorial to them out of the way what is the big deal? There just wasn't any Park Service people there. Was the Wall closed, the Lincoln Memorial, I saw videos that showed people around both. Every thing now a days seems to be political, racist, PC or some other term of the day. In my 71 years I have never seen the country like this it makes me sick. Time to go some wine and get my BP down.

Tom

[annunaki]

"Every thing now a days seems to be political, racist, PC or some other term of the day."

Yes and for the latest Correction, the terms "Pusher" and "Drug Dealer" are considered to be hurtful and offensive to those trying to make their living in that venue, so lest they might feel bad, they will henceforth be referred to as

[B]"Unlicensed Pharmacists"[/B


]

[annunaki]

...When elderly veterans pushed their way through police barricades Tuesday to get to the World War II memorial on the Mall, they not only became an instant online sensation...

....Arriving on Tuesday, the veterans, many of them in wheelchairs and escorted by members of Congress, found the barricades blocking their way. They began to mass up against the fence, which was when Rep. Steve King, Iowa, decided it was time for action.


...He said he walked over to the guards watching the site and began to talk to them, creating a distraction that the veterans used to push aside the barriers and enter the circular stone memorial. Talking to reporters later, Mr. King said he was proud to have helped.

“I rank this as one of the best days I’ve had a chance to be here in Washington — perhaps the best,” he said.

The park service said it would rethink its policies.

In the meantime, photos of the veterans defying the service and its barricades went viral online, and drew strong support from both sides of the aisle on Capitol Hill.

“Good for them!” tweeted Sen. John McCain, Arizona and a Navy veteran of the Vietnam War.

Several lawmakers said they were planning to donate their salaries they receive during the shutdown to honor flight organizations in their home states.

“WWII vets shouldn’t face closed DC memorials. During #shutdown, I’ll donate pay to OH-based Honor Flight Network,” Sen. Sherrod Brown, Ohio , wrote in a Twitter message.

WOW If you reference the names you'll find they're from different "ideologies", but strongly agree on this action

Sooo many "Partners in Crime" Woodturner; my, my, my. !

[woodturner]

Veterans breaking into the WWII memorial is not political, even though the events related to it are.

In my opinion, it is political, and some of the comments in the thread seem pretty clearly political. I almost never report threads and only if they cross the line pretty far, but I imagine the mods will see it and act if they think it is appropriate.

I can appreciate the disappointment the vets felt when they found the monument closed. There were many people on the news last night talking about their disappointment that they could not visit national parks, monuments, etc. How are the vets any different than the MakeAWish trip that planned to take a dying child to the monuments?

It appears one of the reasons for the shutdown is to incovenience people, to try to coerce constituents into pressuring their representatives to get something passed. Of course, the risk is that people will realize we don't need "all the government we pay for" (Will Rogers quote) as the real impact on most people will be minimal. We can only hope, but realistically it seems unlikely these events will bring us any closer to a balanced budget or reduce the deficit.

In fairness, though, the "news report" originally linked was not an accurate or correct report, really more of a radical sensationalized account. When I did find a real news report about the incident, I learned that the vets did not "break in" to the monument or commit the crimes suggested in the linked report. According to WP, NYT, and others, the barriers were moved and the monument was temporarily opened for the vets.

If this place is going to be 100% woodworking we might as well abandon it, because there aren't enough members or discussion to bring page views to keep it running.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one. I think there is more than enough woodworking interest here, and I, like many, have appreciated the renewed focus on woodworking and reduction in off-topic posts resulting from the changes and refocusing. I'm a little concerned we may be starting down the same path as before, but that's an issue for the mods to deal with if they choose.

[Pappy]

I agree with woodturner on the actual event. After seeing some videos of the event, it appears that the barriers were actually opened for them by a couple of politicians and their staff. Other barriers ay have been moved by the vets and their attendants but the initial action was taken for, not by them. Park police then chose to not take any action.

[atgcpaul]

I agree with woodturner on the actual event. After seeing some videos of the event, it appears that the barriers were actually opened for them by a couple of politicians and their staff. Other barriers ay have been moved by the vets and their attendants but the initial action was taken for, not by them. Park police then chose to not take any action.

As a resident in the area, this is how it is being reported in the local news.

Veteran or not, if you ever get a chance to visit the WWII Memorial, it is awe inspiring. Very well done.

[Brian G]

I wish the politictian would open the barriers to my office so that I can go back to work.