All George Zimmerman Threads

[annunaki]

Well with this new turn of events of George Zimmerman rescueing victims trapped in overturned truck, there will probably be a new media frenzy to find out the ethnicity of those rescued.

[JR]

I think we can safely give this thread a rest...

[annunaki]

George Zimmerman rescues victims trapped in overturned truck...

http://www.drudgereport.com/George Zimmerman rescues victims trapped in overturned truck...

Four people, including two children, pulled unscathed from burning vehicle...

'What if George hadn't gotten out of his truck?'

Supporters raise money to buy him new gun...

New Black Panther Party Marches...

Houston counter-protest defends...

ACLU withdraws demand that Feds take action...

[cabinetman]

Yeah Bernies worst enemy was his Big Mouth

That's for sure. He had the right to remain silent.

Thank you for all your input to this thread.

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[annunaki]

How I Learned about Nullification and used the knowledge

While I agree with the concept of every citizens obligation to serve on jury duty, I also realize that as a "concept" it may have flaws not often considered.

My personal feeling is that as a potential juror that might be sequestered, I should be treated at least as well as someone incarcerated. Sadly, this is not the case.
A prisoner, has the right to special dietary treatment for religious or medical conditions.
The reality in my rural location, is that that's just not going to happen.
Religious and medical diet need would probably result in excusals.

In my situation, my dietary practices are neither religious nor of medical necessity (though they are a health choice). Because of this they would not be respected as a valid excusal, even though I have followed them for over 25 years.

I own six dogs, two cats, and one African Grey Parrot, which would all have to be boarded if I was sequestered, the cost of which would be my burden and not that of the Court.

So the last time I was called for Jury Duty, I made it to Voir Dire, where upon one of the attys asked me what I would have been doing if I wasn't in court that day.

My response was that I would probably be continuing my studies of the night before.
He then asked me what they were.
I told him in preparation for Jury Duty I was learning all about the Powers of a Juror and Jury Nullification and how Judges will never Fully Inform the Jury of their Right of Nullification, but will misleadingly tell them they must ONLY consider the facts in the case, reasoning that the Court's (Servant of the People) Place is not to inform the Jury (Masters) of their powers.

You should have seen the look on the Judge's face "", but there was nothing he could do. I was asked a question under oath and honestly answered it, and all the other potential jurors in that courtroom heard it.

Strangely, over the years, I've never been called again.

If they ever change their policies on food and pet boarding, I would gladly serve- But only then IF THE JURY WAS FULLY INFORMED OF THEIR RIGHT OF NULLIFICATION BY THE COURT/JUDGE

[annunaki]

" The order of the appellate court was affirmed because the trial court had not erred in instructing the jury that, if it found the People had proved each of the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, it "must" find the defendant guilty. "

This however is a LIE that the Court told the Jury.

Juries Have the Right of Nullification that the Courts will never Fully Inform Them Of- The Court's legal cop-out to this is underlined below.

Read:" What lawyers & judges won't tell you about juries"
http://prorev.com/juries.htm
Especially:In our Constitutional Republic (note I didn't say democracy) the people have granted certain limited powers to government, preserving and retaining their God-given inalienable rights. So, if it is indeed the juror's right to decide the law, then the citizens should know what their rights are. They need not be told by the courts. After all, the Constitution makes us the masters of the public servants. Should a servant have to tell a master what his rights are? Of course not, it's our responsibility to know what our rights are!


Jurors have more power than the Judge, a Senator a Congressman, and the President- none of whom can do what a single Juror can do- Nullify a Law

Go here for more information

http://www.caught.net/juror.htm


Fully Informed Jury Association

http://fija.org/

[annunaki]

I remember the Bernie Getz Case well - I was a NY City Detective at the time.
I thought he was foolish for ever opening his big mouth, that he might have prevailed in court if he had denied any involvement, gotten rid of any weapon, and not told his neighbor Myra Friedman what had happened.
In the end, Goetz was tried before a mainly white Manhattan jury, six of whom had been victims of street crime. He was acquitted of the attempted murder and first-degree assault charges and convicted of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree – carrying a loaded, unlicensed weapon in a public place. He was sentenced to six months in jail, one year's psychiatric treatment, five years' probation, 200 hours community service, and a fine of $5,000. He appealed, and the appellate court affirmed the conviction and ordered a re-sentencing for a period of one year in jail without probation. The order of the appellate court was affirmed because the trial court had not erred in instructing the jury that, if it found the People had proved each of the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt, it "must" find the defendant guilty. This was not a directed verdict. Goetz served eight months.

But Worse than that was the Civil Law Suit
The jury found that Goetz had acted recklessly and had deliberately inflicted emotional distress on Cabey. The Daily News stated that Goetz's decision to fire a second shot at Cabey was a key factor in the jurors' decision. The jury awarded Cabey $43 million – $18 million for pain and suffering and $25 million in punitive damages.

Goetz subsequently filed for bankruptcy, saying that legal expenses had left him almost penniless. A judge of the United States Bankruptcy Court ruled that the $43 million jury award could not be dismissed by the bankruptcy. Asked in 2004 whether he was making payments on the judgment, Goetz responded "I don't think I've paid a penny on that", and referred any questions on the subject to his attorney.

Yeah Bernies worst enemy was his Big Mouth

[Bruce Cohen]

Sorry Guy,
But I just couldn't stay out of this thread,
As a a licensed handgun owner for over 35 years, half of which was spent in NYC, I really think some major point are being missed,

Just What really happened?
NY State does not have a "stand your ground" provision in its penal law, if it did, I assume that the population here would be severely reduced.
This is the NYS penal law pertaining to the use of "Deadly Physical Force". Read it twice, as it references subsections out of order.

S 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she
reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a
third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:
(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to
cause physical injury to another person; or
(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the
use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has
withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such
withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing
the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical
force; or
(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by
agreement not specifically authorized by law.
2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:
(a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or
about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the
actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with
complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the
necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no
duty to retreat if he or she is:
(i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or
(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police
officer or a peace officer at the latter`s direction, acting pursuant to
section 35.30; or
(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal
sexual act or robbery; or
(c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing
or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that
the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of
section 35.20.

I'll let you draw your own conclusion from the above, except to say that when on the street, one must, at the least show that he or she did try to "break-off the confrontation prior to pulling a trigger.

This does not hold true when you are in your own home.

A former LEO, turned writer and instructor, who is considered an expert in the field of self defense, Massad Ayoob, once stated that even when he was on the force, carried a pocket full of change and a few paper bills to throw at a an attempted mugger, feeling that this usually appeases the mugger and avoids a complicated series of events which usually end up with the "so called perp" getting shot.

Wise sayings from someone who more than likely has had to un-holster his handgun considerably more than any of us.

All I'm saying is that you think about this. Zimmerman may very well been within his rights, but the whole incident got over politicized and went down hill from there.

Years ago in NYC, Bernie Goetz was the recipient of a botched robbery on the subway , with the end result of three less than "nice guys" getting shot. A perfectly understandable use of deadly physical force.

Except his handgun wasn't registered and even though he was going avoid any prosecution, he had to open his mouth and publicize the event. It also didn't help that the three guys he shot were black and Bernie was white. End result, he was convicted of something and spent time locked up.

I make no judgment of both these incidents either way and just chalk most of this up to being a big mouthed dope.

Bruce

[cabinetman]

I can somewhat understand GZ's position.

A few years ago I was in a position of having a 'contract' on me and my family over something my son did. (He was moved to a protected situation by federal investigators.) Although the 'contract' was small, there enough druggies and gangers around that it was possible for one of them to try to collect.

After talking to the sheriff and the feds, I got the word back on the street that if anyone I didn't know was caught on my property, it would be up to the sheriff and the coroner to figure out there intentions.

GZ has to fear violent reprisal anywhere he goes and should at least have the ability to protect himself.

+1. Just about anywhere he goes, he would likely be recognized seeing how his picture has been plastered on the news daily. Maybe if he got some cosmetic surgery, and changed his looks.

Or, maybe he could ask Casey Anthony (she could get cosmetic surgery as well), for a date, they become lovers, and they both go into a witness protection program somewhere in Alaska, and live happily ever after.

.

[Pappy]

I can somewhat understand GZ's position.

A few years ago I was in a position of having a 'contract' on me and my family over something my son did. (He was moved to a protected situation by federal investigators.) Although the 'contract' was small, there enough druggies and gangers around that it was possible for one of them to try to collect.

After talking to the sheriff and the feds, I got the word back on the street that if anyone I didn't know was caught on my property, it would be up to the sheriff and the coroner to figure out there intentions.

GZ has to fear violent reprisal anywhere he goes and should at least have the ability to protect himself.

[TB Roye]

I think if I was George I would become very scarce right now or maybe move to a better place than Florida. Although he has every right to poses a gun and should have been given his own gun back. I would stay away from all that right now. Let some one else protect him like his brother. He should leave the state and go to a less populous state where he would not be bothered. Montana and Wyoming and Idaho are 3 state where he would be safe. Maybe the Dakotas. I would flat just get out of Dodge right now, they are gunning for him legally and physically.. The are a whole bunch fired up idiots out there who wouldn't think twice of putting a bullet in him. That is the reality right now.

Tom

[annunaki]

Author Brad Thor offers to buy George Zimmerman gun of his choice

Author Brad Thor offers to buy George Zimmerman gun of his choice

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/20/author...of-his-choice/

[annunaki]

Go Buckeye !!

The Bad News-

HE CAN'T HAVE HIS GUN BACK...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...urned-him.html

The Good News
Buckeye Firearms Foundation is raising funds to buy Zimmerman a NEW GUN and fight attacks on the Second Amendment.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/9024

[capncarl]

I think that the crowd was not interested in the facts. It appear that all that they heard was "WILL ALL THE RACISTS STEP FORWARD."

[TB Roye]

Sadly the President made some statements today that will not calm anything down and may escalate the protest and violence. This has be a very interesting and adult discussion on this site. I have been tempted to post a reply as I was the Neighborhood watch Coordinator in our neighborhood but because of the on going stuff in the Media I decided to hold off and now I will not post any thing. I am very sad and concerned for our Country right now.

Tom