how to burn down a house on move-in day

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 21734
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #1

    how to burn down a house on move-in day

    I was helping my daughter pack Friday before the movers came Saturday morning. She asked me if she should bring the fire extinguisher I gave her and her hubby for Xmas or leave it with the old house they were to rent out. I said sure, its not to protect your renters but to protect you and your house.

    So on Saturday they moved and we went over in the afternoon. They had two A/Cs running (Upstairs and down stairs) and not much else besides a TV.

    The power went out and they were going to call the power copany I told them to check the breakers first. The main 150A breaker kicked out. They reset it and about an hour later it kicked again. I went to my house and brought the clamp on ammeter and took off the panel and the ACs were drawing about 20 and 10 Amps and the main feed was showing around 32 amps.

    I noticed the main wire into the main breaker was a bit discolored and said try again but you'd better call a electrician to look at it.

    We put the panel back on and closed the door, to close the door you have to bump it. When my SIL's father bumped the door shut there was a large arcing sound followed by sparks coming out the seams of the breaker box, sparks coming off the gound wire to the ground rod (like a fourth of July sparkler), followed by smoke and then flames and continued arcing noises. The power metere was spinning madly. When the flames came out about 6 inches from the top of the box, I told the SIL to call 911 and get the fire extinguisher which they had brought following my comments the night before,

    Finally the arcing stopped with a pop and the fire extinguisher put out the flames. I was worried something night be on fire in the walls but then the FD arrived they checked the inside walls with a thermal imager and said it was OK. We took the panel off and here's what it looked like (the white is the extiguisher chemicals). The tiny wires at the left are the 12 Ga branch wiring. The Big wires are the main breaker feed - the left one melted in two and peeled the insulation off. The FD called the power co who came out and disconnected and red tagged the meter.

    Having fire trucks with flashing lights and all outside your house is a good way to meet all the new neighbors. All in all an exciting day. After $2600 repairs they found the big screen LCD TV had been zapped, too.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by LCHIEN; 05-17-2011, 12:34 AM.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
    BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions
  • All Thumbs
    Established Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 322
    • Penn Hills, PA
    • BT3K/Saw-Stop

    #2
    So what caused that to happen? Was the panel's feed not torqued down properly or something?

    In a way, you should be relieved this happened the way it did. I have friends that died in an electrical fire that started in their sleep. Better to have sparks and flames and fire trucks, etc., than get that call in the early morning hours, which is what I got.

    Comment

    • cabinetman
      Gone but not Forgotten RIP
      • Jun 2006
      • 15216
      • So. Florida
      • Delta

      #3
      Thank goodness for thermal imaging. What was the cause...loose connection?

      .

      Comment

      • atgcpaul
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2003
        • 4055
        • Maryland
        • Grizzly 1023SLX

        #4
        yikes! Welcome to the neighborhood indeed!

        I wonder if the home inspector jostled something loose when he did his walk through. Doubt it but how is something ok one minute and not the next.

        If you ever find out what happened, do let us know.

        Up here almost all houses have an included 1yr warranty. Don't remember if that's only for the appliances and mechanical systems or if it would cover incIdents like this.

        Glad it worked out, though

        Comment

        • woodturner
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 2049
          • Western Pennsylvania
          • General, Sears 21829, BT3100

          #5
          Originally posted by atgcpaul
          Up here almost all houses have an included 1yr warranty. Don't remember if that's only for the appliances and mechanical systems or if it would cover incIdents like this.
          The coverage varies with the company providing the warranty, and it is usually extremely difficult to get them to pay for repairs. We had a HOW with AON and it was a nightmare trying to get them to cover repairs clearly listed as covered in the contract. AHS is supposed to be a little better, but there are still many complaints.

          As I recall, though, they have limited coverage for service panels, and exclude the service feed. So they probably would not cover this, and would say the damage is due to the fire, which is not covered.
          --------------------------------------------------
          Electrical Engineer by day, Woodworker by night

          Comment

          • LCHIEN
            Super Moderator
            • Dec 2002
            • 21734
            • Katy, TX, USA.
            • BT3000 vintage 1999

            #6
            The HOW turned out to be useless, it specifically excluded parts of the breaker box like someone said.

            I seriously doubt that the inspector would jostle the main feed line, since its hot and connected to the meter it can't be disconnected except by the utility company. He was covered by the report in which he specifically stated that the feed wire was aluminum and should be inspected for the Al-Cu gel they use to minimize oxidation and resulting fires. Hard to believe though why it happened after previous owners had used it for ten years, at probably higher current levels (they could have been baking in the oven, running appliances, etc), they were only at 20% of the breaker rated current.

            I'm almost sure that oxidation or loose connection contributed to the hot connector that was at the root of it. If you click on the pic you can see the allen screw that retain the left feed wire is melted and distorted (compare to the one on the right).

            And as bad as it was I'm so I'm very glad it happened while were watching it rather than at night while everyone was sleeping.
            Loring in Katy, TX USA
            If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
            BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

            Comment

            • sparkeyjames
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 1087
              • Redford MI.
              • Craftsman 21829

              #7
              I'm glad everyone is ok and the house is still standing. Now for the funny part. Not but a minute before clicking to this site I had just finished watching the Talking Heads "Burnin Down the House" on Youtube.

              Comment

              • os1kne
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2003
                • 901
                • Atlanta, GA
                • BT3100

                #8
                I'm glad everyone's ok and your family is safe and sound.
                Bill

                Comment

                • Richard in Smithville
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3014
                  • On the TARDIS
                  • BT 3100

                  #9
                  Wow! Just glad to know that everyone is alright.
                  From the "deep south" part of Canada

                  Richard in Smithville

                  http://richardspensandthings.blogspot.com/

                  Comment

                  • gerti
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 2233
                    • Minnetonka, MN, USA.
                    • BT3100 "Frankensaw"

                    #10
                    Bummer, but I guess the circumstances under which it happened were lucky.

                    Comment

                    Working...