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  • JSUPreston
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    • Dec 2005
    • 1189
    • Montgomery, AL.
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    #1

    Non political political question

    I've been watching a lot of the returns for the state of Alabama tonight, and was wondering about other states. In Alabama, we almost never hear anything from the candidate about themselves. We have candidates partnering up with their next worst enemy to try to defeat the other candidates and just "slinging mud" and telling half truths, etc. Since I've lived in Alabama for nearly 30 years, I haven't experienced an election from another state since Reagan beat Carter. I was wondering if this sort of campaigning is normal in other states, or are we just not that civilized here in the deep south.
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  • JR
    The Full Monte
    • Feb 2004
    • 5636
    • Eugene, OR
    • BT3000

    #2
    Same crap here. It's now unimortant what a candidates policies are, only that the opponent is clearly too liberal or too conservative (depending which party primary is being contested), based on some obscure but complex position taken years ago.

    Bah.
    Last edited by JR; 06-01-2010, 09:35 PM.
    JR

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    • TB Roye
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      • Jan 2004
      • 2969
      • Sacramento, CA, USA.
      • BT3100

      #3
      Wish we had none of the above on the ballot. The mud slinging is so bad in CA. They all lie.

      Tom

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      • gsmittle
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        • Aug 2004
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        #4
        Originally posted by JR
        Same crap here. It's now unimortant what a candidates policies are, only that the opponent is clearly too liberal or too conservative (depending which party primary is being contested), based on some obscure but complex position taken years ago.

        Bah.
        Ditto in Missouri. Plus the ads usually have some breathless announcer giving us the earth-shaking news about some trivial matter the "bad guy" said or did, complete with huge distortions and outright falsehoods.

        g.
        Smit

        "Be excellent to each other."
        Bill & Ted

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        • jackellis
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          • Nov 2003
          • 2638
          • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
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          #5
          In addition to mudslinging, we have legislation by ballot, and obscuring the real motives behind a ballot initiative has become as refined as denigrating one's opponent, though some sponsors are less skilled than others.

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          • cabinetman
            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
            • Jun 2006
            • 15216
            • So. Florida
            • Delta

            #6
            I've always wondered how people could vote for someone that badmouths his opponent. When it comes time to vote all the candidates are guilty. You would think that not resorting to that kind of campaign would give a candidate some "class". It gets pretty bad in Florida.
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            • Pappy
              The Full Monte
              • Dec 2002
              • 10481
              • San Marcos, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 (x2)

              #7
              Seems it has come down to picking the 'lesser of 2 evils' and that's not easy to determine.
              Don, aka Pappy,

              Wise men talk because they have something to say,
              Fools because they have to say something.
              Plato

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              • capncarl
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                • Jan 2007
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                • Leesburg Georgia USA
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                #8
                It is dirty here in Georgia. My policy on voting now has changed. If a candidate is incumbent he does not get my vote. Maybe a new face will not have as much dirty laundry or have as many special interest ties.
                Enough said by me.

                capncarl

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                • jackellis
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
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                  #9
                  It's funny how politics often works. There's an old cliche about how all politics is local, which is quite true. It's also the case that most of us cast our votes for candidates based on a pretty narrow set of the issues that most effect us individually. Most of us aren't very good at trying to assess the whole picture.

                  It's also often easier and less dangerous to badmouth an opponent than to take a stand, especially when you know you're probably going to have to rethink that stand if you ever get elected. Most aspiring politicians find, much to their surprise, that the reality of holding office is much different than it appears from the outside. The Governator certain found this out. If Meg Whitman is elected in California, so will she. Let's not forget Jesse Ventura, who apparently had a tough time in Minnesota.

                  I'm not fond of candidates that badmouth their opponents. When they do explain their plan, it had better be pragmatic. Adherence to the party line on either side doesn't do much for me these days. Life just isn't that simple.

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                  • germdoc
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3567
                    • Omaha, NE
                    • BT3000--the gray ghost

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jackellis
                    Let's not forget Jesse Ventura, who apparently had a tough time in Minnesota.
                    Yeah but he could at least body slam his opponents. And Ahnold can bench-press a lot more than Meg Whitman...
                    Jeff


                    “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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                    • Kristofor
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                      • Jul 2004
                      • 1331
                      • Twin Cities, MN
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jackellis
                      Let's not forget Jesse Ventura, who apparently had a tough time in Minnesota.
                      Yeah, but that wasn't his fault, it was the "Media Jackals"!

                      Personally, with Republicans in charge of one house, Democrats in control of the other, an "Independent" Jesse in the Governor's mansion (except I think he stayed on his hobby farm), there was little in the way of new legislation being passed, but several billion in budget surpluses being mailed back to tax payers. Those days don't looks so bad right now

                      Okay, I was kidding, but I sure wish we weren't looking for ways to scrounge up $4 billion here or $5 billion there year after year these days...

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                      • conwaygolfer
                        Established Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 371
                        • Conway, SC.
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                        #12
                        I agree

                        Originally posted by capncarl
                        It is dirty here in Georgia. My policy on voting now has changed. If a candidate is incumbent he does not get my vote. Maybe a new face will not have as much dirty laundry or have as many special interest ties.
                        Enough said by me.

                        capncarl
                        South Carolina is just as bad and I am in line with Capncarl - no more incumbents!!!!!!

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                        • ironhat
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                          • Aug 2004
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                          • Chambersburg, PA (South-central).
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by conwaygolfer
                          South Carolina is just as bad and I am in line with Capncarl - no more incumbents!!!!!!
                          Boy, it would have to be a sweep in order to work. Remember the "Contract With America" gang who were voted in? The were all hustled into their respective party's meeting rooms and told in no uncertain terms that if they didn't do as told by the heirarchy that their constituents would be cut off from funds.
                          Blessings,
                          Chiz

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                          • Rand
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                            • May 2005
                            • 492
                            • Vancouver, WA, USA.

                            #14
                            So,

                            If 27 states vote out their imcumbents and the remaining 25 keep theirs... doesn't that give the imcumbents a huge advantage as far as committee chairs etc?
                            Rand
                            "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like your thumb."

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                            • Black wallnut
                              cycling to health
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 4715
                              • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
                              • BT3k 1999

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rand
                              So,

                              If 27 states vote out their imcumbents and the remaining 25 keep theirs... doesn't that give the imcumbents a huge advantage as far as committee chairs etc?
                              Now I know us 509 folks want to break from the 360 and 206 crowd but that would only make 51 what is the other?
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