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  • RayintheUK
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    • Sep 2003
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    #1

    Roasts - Assassination is more accurate!

    Recently, one of our terrestrial channels, Channel 4, decided to make a series of three "roasts" - Bruce Forsyth, Sharon Osborne and Chris Tarrant. As a fan of the Dean Martin roasts - still watching many clips on YouTube - I was quite looking forward to seeing how these would turn out.

    I suppose I was being a little naïve to think they would - in any way - approach the style and sublety of the Dean Martin era, but I had no idea how far wrong I'd be.

    The UK "roasters" consisted of many hardly-heard-of so-called comedians, hosted by Jimmy Carr, who all went about the tasteless business of making outrageous, snide and disgusting comments, through which the "guest of honor" was supposed and expected to sit graciously.

    I was quite appalled at how the UK had - I thought - trashed the format, until, that is, we were "treated" to some of the more recent roasts from Comedy Central as a "follow-on."

    I've now seen William Shatner's and Joan Rivers' roasts and now I understand where the UK production team got the idea from. Even Carl Reiner thought it funny to use both "f" and "c" words and several others were disgustingly racist to some participants as well. As you may guess, I'm no prude and I'm well up there on the profanity usage scale, but there is a line in the sand and these "entertainments" didn't even start on the right side of it.

    Good grief, is there NO class left in "comedy" today?

    Ray
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  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
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    #2
    I gotta agree with you. I remember the Dean Martin roasts. They were on network TV and had to follow "rules". They were funny. I'm no prude either. I can swear with the best of them. I know 4 or 5 words.

    But, to watch Eddie Murphy, and the late Richard Prior, and many of the comedians today doing stand up, it's rampant. There's only so much that is funny. Granted, some jokes and punchlines wouldn't be the same without some raunch.

    But, Bill Cosby can get on a stage, using clean language, and be as entertaining as they get.
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    • LCHIEN
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      • Dec 2002
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      • Katy, TX, USA.
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      #3
      maybe the world is running out of good jokes. There's only so many you know and by now we must have used some 85% of them up. So they either need to recycle old jokes or simply use marginally acceptable new material.
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      • Uncle Cracker
        The Full Monte
        • May 2007
        • 7091
        • Sunshine State
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        #4
        All they are any more is a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bees trying to one-up each other on the raunch scale. It's a bleep-fest. No comedic talent, just shock value; I suspect that's exactly what the producers are looking for, but I don't have any interest in watching it.

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        • phi1l
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 681
          • Madison, WI

          #5
          Originally posted by RayintheUK
          ... but there is a line in the sand and these "entertainments" didn't even start on the right side of it.

          Good grief, is there NO class left in "comedy" today?

          Ray
          That is exactly it, once a line has been drawn in the sand, the easiest humor is just on the other side of it. Each successive joke, each successive roast has to out do the previous one, or they no longer entertain.

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          • jackellis
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            • Nov 2003
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            • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
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            #6
            Years ago we went to see Bill Cosby perform live. Without using four letter words, or profane innuendo he kept us in stitches for an hour. Even when we heard some of the same lines a second time, his sense of timing and use of seemingly ordinary events to entertain were impressive.

            Hopefully the art won't be lost forever.

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            • Uncle Cracker
              The Full Monte
              • May 2007
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              • Sunshine State
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              #7
              Originally posted by jackellis
              Years ago we went to see Bill Cosby perform live. Without using four letter words, or profane innuendo he kept us in stitches for an hour.
              Red Skelton could do it the same way. Miss him...

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              • Pappy
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                • Dec 2002
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                • San Marcos, TX, USA.
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                #8
                George Carlin and Robin Williams could/can make profanity funny. For the most part, the rest that try just come off as filthy.
                Don, aka Pappy,

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                Fools because they have to say something.
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                • germdoc
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  • Omaha, NE
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                  #9
                  It is truly an art to use profanity creatively. Only a few possess it. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Sam Kenison, Frank Zappa--those guys were geniuses, everyone else should stick to words with more than 4 letters.

                  Re' the Dean Martin roasts: those were hilarious. Here's Don Rickles roasting Frank Sinatra:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MiBV...eature=related
                  Last edited by germdoc; 04-15-2010, 03:48 PM.
                  Jeff


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                  • Uncle Cracker
                    The Full Monte
                    • May 2007
                    • 7091
                    • Sunshine State
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by germdoc
                    Re' the Dean Martin roasts: those were hilarious. Here's Don Rickles roasting Frank Sinatra:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MiBV...eature=related
                    Classic stuff... At least in those days, you could look at the dais and recognize everybody... Nowadays, not so lucky.

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                    • BrazosJake
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 1148
                      • Benbrook, TX.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by RayintheUK
                      Good grief, is there NO class left in "comedy" today?

                      Ray
                      Almost none, though the "LaughUSA" channel on XM radio carries some good stuff.

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