Another abusive doctor : how do they get the opportunity?

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  • radhak
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    • Apr 2006
    • 3061
    • Miramar, FL
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    #1

    Another abusive doctor : how do they get the opportunity?

    Del. doctor indicted in serial child abuse scandal : 471 count!

    I am unable to fathom how can this go on for so long? 103 victim repeatedly abused?

    We have always accompanied our girls to the doc, and been present for all their examinations, right from infancy to now (7 and 10 years). Why would parents not do that?

    And he was caught after a 2 year old complained : he took her to a basement room of his office after an exam ? A 2 year old? Vigilantism never felt as justified as for this case !
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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  • Uncle Cracker
    The Full Monte
    • May 2007
    • 7091
    • Sunshine State
    • BT3000

    #2
    I hope they give him hard time. The guys in the joint got their own code and their own way of dealing with guys like this.

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    • cabinetman
      Gone but not Forgotten RIP
      • Jun 2006
      • 15216
      • So. Florida
      • Delta

      #3
      Incredible it went on so long without him getting caught. I'm surprised one of the parents didn't get him.
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      • Bruce Cohen
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        • May 2003
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        • Nanuet, NY, USA.
        • BT3100

        #4
        That's why when my daughters young, we only used female pediatricians.

        Bruce
        "Western civilization didn't make all men equal,
        Samuel Colt did"

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        • cabinetman
          Gone but not Forgotten RIP
          • Jun 2006
          • 15216
          • So. Florida
          • Delta

          #5
          Originally posted by Bruce Cohen
          That's why when my daughters young, we only used female pediatricians.

          Bruce

          I would think it would be unlikely, but a female pediatrician could be a child molester.
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          • Ed62
            The Full Monte
            • Oct 2006
            • 6021
            • NW Indiana
            • BT3K

            #6
            When our kids were little, we didn't hear about things like that. Looking back now, it might have been a good idea to have a female pediatrician. Much less likely for things to get out of hand that way, although we never had a problem with ours.

            Ed
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            • MilDoc

              #7
              This is an amazing case. Just HOW did he get the child into a basement? Where were the parents? What did he do - keep all his other patients waiting?

              No excuses since he is obviously guilty from the tapes they found.

              Why did it take so long to be discovered? Not at all unusual.Years ago I testified against a doc for child sexual abuse in his office. This had gone on for years, under the "cover" of genital exams. Many girls didn't realize what he was doing because of the way they were draped, and NO parent was in the room.

              Quite simply folks - as a parent YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE PRESENT for any exam, or to INSIST there be another chaperon present.

              For example: I do sports physicals, and teen (and pre-teen boys do NOT want their parent in the room! OK, parent leaves and a nurse enters.

              I support the right of the child to kick their parent out but would NEVER be alone in a room with a child. Period.

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              • Uncle Cracker
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                • May 2007
                • 7091
                • Sunshine State
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                #8
                If I'm at the doctor with my young child, I'm in the exam room, if for no other reason than to calm and reassure the child. The side benefit would be that my being there would dispel any untoward notions the doc might have... If the doc doesn't want me in the room, we're off to get another doc...

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                • MilDoc

                  #9
                  There are reasons why I might not want you in the room - but a chaperon MUST be present, ie, my nurse. This rarely applies to young kids, but teens..... ?

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                  • Ed62
                    The Full Monte
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6021
                    • NW Indiana
                    • BT3K

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MilDoc

                    I support the right of the child to kick their parent out but would NEVER be alone in a room with a child. Period.
                    That's the smart thing to do. There are always people looking for a quick payout.

                    Ed
                    Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

                    For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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                    • crokett
                      The Full Monte
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 10627
                      • Mebane, NC, USA.
                      • Ryobi BT3000

                      #11
                      I am aghast that this went on for so long with so many victims as well. I would never leave my kids alone with the doctor, not so much because I don't trust the doctor but because they are still very young. I would also expect the practice to insist on having at least 2 people with my child if I am not there.
                      David

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                      • Pappy
                        The Full Monte
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 10481
                        • San Marcos, TX, USA.
                        • BT3000 (x2)

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Uncle Cracker
                        I hope they give him hard time. The guys in the joint got their own code and their own way of dealing with guys like this.
                        Once the word gets out to population, and it WILL get out, as to the nature of his crimes the good doctor will have his life sentence shortened. Not commuted, just shortened with a lot of pain before it is over.

                        My son said this happened once while he was a guest at Club Fed. The information on the inmate was 'accidentaly' leaked by one of the guards. And the guards all seem to get busy with other duties when inmate discipline starts.
                        Don, aka Pappy,

                        Wise men talk because they have something to say,
                        Fools because they have to say something.
                        Plato

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                        • leehljp
                          The Full Monte
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 8774
                          • Tunica, MS
                          • BT3000/3100

                          #13
                          Our organization instituted a policy a few years ago (and 2 years ago began to enforce) in which when we have meetings, and parents with children are present - if even a single a baby sitter or chaperone is needed (babies through teens) - There is never just one person present to teach, watch or baby sit.
                          • There must be 2 adults present for each group, even if there is only one child present.
                          • No husband and wife teams in the same room or with the same group without a third adult there.
                          • All organizational personnel are going through or have gone through this training on what not to do, what to do and what to watch for, how to react to children's accusations of someone else.

                          • Churches send volunteer groups often to do children's studies when we have several day or week long seminars as a group. All church volunteers must under go this 2 - 3 hour seminar also and follow these rules.

                          Child abuse is far more rampant than when we were kids. Such child abuse doesn't respect ANY profession or group. The more helpful a group or profession is by nature - the more easily those in the profession have been overlooked as an abuser. The policy was also instituted to guard against someone being unintentionally blamed or wrongfully blamed. (This has happened.)

                          But the primary purpose is to reduce the risk that such things can occur or happen.
                          Last edited by leehljp; 02-23-2010, 09:34 PM.
                          Hank Lee

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                          • woodturner
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 2049
                            • Western Pennsylvania
                            • General, Sears 21829, BT3100

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MilDoc
                            Years ago I testified against a doc for child sexual abuse in his office. This had gone on for years, under the "cover" of genital exams. Many girls didn't realize what he was doing because of the way they were draped, and NO parent was in the room.
                            Not to be crass, but when does a genital exam cross over into abuse? I'm assuming he was not having intercourse with them, so I'm curious what he was doing that would cross the line into abuse - if you can answer that question within the appropriateness constraints of the forum.
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                            • woodturner
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                              • Jun 2008
                              • 2049
                              • Western Pennsylvania
                              • General, Sears 21829, BT3100

                              #15
                              Originally posted by leehljp
                              Child abuse is far more rampant than when we were kids.
                              I wonder if it truly more rampant, or if it is just discovered and adjudicated more now.
                              Last edited by woodturner; 02-26-2010, 11:55 AM.
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