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  • annunaki
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    #16
    Jury Nullification Why you should know what it is

    Jury Nullification
    Why you should know what it is

    by Russ Emal

    Is it true or false that when you sit on a jury, you may vote on the verdict according to your own conscience? "True," you say, but then why do most judges tell you that you may consider "only the facts" and that you are not to let your conscience, opinion of the law, or the motives of the defendant affect your decision?

    In a trial by jury, the judge's job is to referee the trial and provide neutral legal advice to the jury, beginning with a full and truthful explanation of a juror's rights and responsibilities.

    But judges rarely "fully inform" jurors of their rights, especially their power to judge the law itself and to vote on the verdict according to conscience. Instead, they end up assisting the prosecution by dismissing any prospective juror who will admit to knowing about this right, starting with anyone who also admits having qualms with any specific law.

    In fact, if you have doubts about the fairness of a law, you have the right and obligation to find someone innocent even though they have actually broken the law! John Adams, our second president, had this to say about the juror: "It is not only his right but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."

    It was normal procedure in the early days of our country to inform juries of their right to judge the law and the defendant. And if the judge didn't tell them, the defense attorney very often would. The nation's Founders understood that trials by juries of ordinary citizens, fully informed of their powers as jurors, would confine the government to its proper role as the servant, not the master, of the people.

    It was our Constitution that gave us the foundation that enables us to remain a democracy. The Constitution provides five separate tribunals with veto power – representatives, senate, executive, judges and jury. Before a law gains the power to punish that law must first pass the test of each constitutionally guaranteed authority.

    "Jury nullification of law," as it is sometimes called, is a traditional American right defended by the Founding Fathers. Those patriots intended that the jury serve as one of the tests a law must pass through before it assumes enough popular authority to be enforced. Our constitutional designers saw to it that each enactment of law must pass the scrutiny of these tribunals before it gains the authority to punish those who choose to violate any written law. Thomas Jefferson said, "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

    Four decades before Jefferson spoke these words, a jury had established freedom of the press in the colonies by finding John Peter Zenger not guilty of seditious libel. He had been arrested and charged for printing critical – but true – news stories about the Governor of New York Colony. "Truth is no defense," the court told the jury! But the jury decided to reject bad law, and acquitted.

    Why? Because defense attorney Andrew Hamilton informed the jury of its rights: he related the story of William Penn's trial – of the courageous London jury which refused to find him guilty of preaching Quaker religious doctrine (at that time an illegal religion). His jurors stood by their verdict even though held without food, water, or toilet facilities for four days. The jurors were fined and imprisoned for refusing to convict William Penn – until England's highest court acknowledged their right to reject both law and fact and to find a verdict according to conscience. It was exercise of that right in Penn's trial which eventually led to recognition of free speech, freedom of religion, and of peaceable assembly as individual rights.

    American colonial juries regularly thwarted bad law sent over from mother England. Britain then retaliated by restricting both trial by jury and other rights which juries had won or protected. Result? The Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution!

    Afterwards, to forever protect all the individual rights they'd fought for from future attacks by government, the Founders of these United States in three places included trial by jury – meaning tough, fully informed juries – in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    "Bad law" – special-interest legislation which tramples our rights – is no longer sent here from Britain. But our own legislatures keep us well supplied... That is why today, more than ever, we need juries to protect us!

    Even though it was once the written law, would you vote to convict an escaped slave from the south, return him to his "Master" and to then be punished, maybe by inflicting torture and disfigurement to that escaped slave? Your answer is hopefully "NO!" But, at one time that was the law. How about burning a witch? Once too that was the law, a bad law and one that should not to be acted upon by our juries. If these laws were again passed today, how should you vote if on that trial's jury?

    "If a juror accepts as the law that which the judge states then that juror has accepted the exercise of absolute authority of a government employee and has surrendered a power and right that once was the citizen's safeguard of liberty." (1788) (2 Elliots Debates, 94, Bancroft, History of the Constitution, 267)

    Despite the courts' refusal to inform jurors of their historical veto power, jury nullification in liquor law trials was a major contributing factor in ending alcohol prohibition. (Today in Kentucky jurors often refuse to convict under the marijuana prohibition laws.)

    Fewer incidents of jury veto actions occurred as time increased after the courts began concealing jurors' rights from American citizens and falsely instructing them that they may consider only the facts as admitted by the court. Researchers in 1966 found that jury nullification occurred only 8.8 percent of the time between 1954 and 1958, and suggested that "one reason why the jury exercises its very real power [to nullify] so sparingly is because it is officially told it has none." (California's charge to the jury in criminal cases is typical: "It becomes my duty as judge to instruct you concerning the law applicable to this case, and it is your duty as jurors to follow the law as I shall state it to you ... You are to be governed solely by the evidence introduced in this trial and the law as stated to you by me.") Today no officer of the court is allowed to tell the jury of their veto power.
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    • annunaki
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      #17
      Continued...

      To better explain to prospective jurors their rights, an explanation that is not forthcoming from our courts' judges, an organization called the Fully Informed Jury Association has been established. "FIJA" is a national jury-education organization which both educates juries and promotes laws to require that judges resume telling trial jurors "the whole truth" about their rights, or at least to allow lawyers to tell them. FIJA believes "liberty and justice for all" won't return to America until the citizens are again fully informed of their power as jurors, and routinely put it to good use.

      About 18 months ago, armed with a number of pamphlets explaining the importance to each of us in having the courts fully inform juries of their rights, I stood in the Mendocino County Courthouse. I had been talking about this issue, with courthouse visitors when I was "invited" into Judge James Luther's courtroom by two of his bailiffs. Judge Luther, showed me how in general our courts have eroded. I was told to stop talking to my fellow citizens about their constitutional rights. Their right to understand a jury's role in the court procedure. I was told to stop or be arrested for jury tampering.

      We can only speculate on why there is a general distrust by judges. A distrust of our citizen juries to decide on the fairness of laws that are often enacted by self-serving legislators? Disrespect for the idea of government "of, by, and for the people"? Unwillingness to part with their power? Ignorance of all the rights and powers that trial jurors necessarily acquire upon assuming the responsibility of judging a case? Actual concern that trial jurors might "misuse" their power if told about it? How can people get fair trials if the jurors are told they can't use their consciences?

      If jurors were supposed to judge "only the facts," their job could be done by computer. It is precisely because people have feelings, opinions, wisdom, experience, and conscience that we depend upon jurors, not upon machines, to judge court cases.

      Why is so little known about what is now called "jury nullification"? In the late 1800's, a number of powerful special-interest groups (not unlike many we have with us today) inspired a series of judicial decisions which tried to limit jury rights. While no court has yet dared to deny that juries can "nullify" or "veto" a law, or can bring in a "general verdict," they have held that jurors need not be told about these rights!

      However, jury veto power is still recognized. In 1972 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals held that the trial jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in disregard of the instruction on the law given by the trial judge." The pages of history shine upon instances of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law (473F 2dl 113)

      Today thousands of harmless citizens are in prison only because their trial juries were not fully informed, and the U.S. now leads the world in percent of population behind bars! More prisons are being built than ever before for those whose "crime" affects no one but themselves.

      We need to be wary and/or critical of any proposals to "streamline" the jury system, or to create jurisdictions or regulations which "do not require" trial by jury (two of the means by which your power as a juror is stolen!) We now hear about plans to allow a court to find a person guilty of a crime with less then a 12–0 vote.

      To find out more about jury nullification and FIJA call 800-TEL-JURY and record your name and address.

      December 4, 2009
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      • LinuxRandal
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        #18
        A few years back, I was called again (been called several times, always get kicked out), and one of the questions was by the judge. "Can you follow the directions I give you...?" My response was not if it cut into my rights as a juror.


        I report again Tuesday. It is relatively easy to get kicked off, but one must still appear. I have only known three people to get on the no call list. Two were for medical reasons (court couldn't accommodate) and the third was a 70 year old woman, whose 98 year old mother was my neighbor (she was the primary care giver, I assisted).
        She actually called so she would know if she should load up her mother.
        She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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        • cabinetman
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          #19
          Originally posted by LinuxRandal

          It is relatively easy to get kicked off, but one must still appear.

          I was told by a lawyer that a mailing should be 'certified/RRR' to warrant a notice. They send out so many that there is usually enough respondents for a pool.
          .

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          • LinuxRandal
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            #20
            Originally posted by cabinetman
            I was told by a lawyer that a mailing should be 'certified/RRR' to warrant a notice. They send out so many that there is usually enough respondents for a pool.
            .

            I guess it depends on the state, and how much time you want to fight it. (aka, never piss off a lawyer/judge)
            Here a few years back, they started issuing bench warrants for failure to appear. My understanding is you get arrested, and it ends up being a fine, still a hassle.
            She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. We had to go back for her.........................Twice.

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            • Pappy
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              #21
              Originally posted by Richard in Smithville
              Now if I could get one of my rats on the list.......
              Never happen....

              The lawyers and judges would never allow the competition!
              Don, aka Pappy,

              Wise men talk because they have something to say,
              Fools because they have to say something.
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              • annunaki
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                #22
                Appearance

                While my situation still required my appearance in order to be disqualified, it did address my first two concerns by insuring that I would not be there very long after Voir Dire- should I get that far.

                Where my fun part came in was baiting the Voir Dire questioning, getting them to go for the bait, and watching the Judge's expression when I exposed their sham, while at the same time tainting any other prospective jurors many of whom out of curiosity would go home and look up what I was talking about- I even was able to mention the web site.

                Another motivation for my actions is the anger I feel every time I see or read about a trial where after conviction they show some of the jurors in tears saying that they really didn't feel the law had been fair, but the Judge told them (Mis-informed them) that they had no choice but to find guilt if the State proved its case.

                That is a lie and they did have a choice- they just weren't INFORMED.
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                • annunaki
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                  #23
                  The Short Version

                  When in Vior Dire just inform them that you are biased against any court proceeding that lacks a Fully Informed Jury,don't even need to hear the issues of the case, and will automatically vote for acquittal every time.

                  While your position might be a Defense Attorneys wet dream, the Prosecution, and Judge will never let you sit.
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                  • Alex Franke
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by annunaki
                    When in Vior Dire just inform them that you are biased against any court proceeding that lacks a Fully Informed Jury,don't even need to hear the issues of the case, and will automatically vote for acquittal every time.
                    ...or you could just be honest and fulfill your civic duty.

                    A friend of mine was up for what seemed like a child abuse case or something similar. The attorney asked him if he'd ever been spanked or hit as a child. He said, "Oh, yes -- and I sure as h*ll deserved it every time it happened." He was not selected.

                    It's a serious issue, of course, but I still think that's a funny story.
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                    • annunaki
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                      #25
                      Nothing Honest about Joining Corruption

                      or you could just be honest and fulfill your civic duty

                      I view my Civic Duty to only participate in Fair Trials, and not Unfair ones that mislead jurors and fail to Inform them that they are empowered to not only Try the Accused, but also The Law itself.

                      Anything less than that falls far short of any Civic Obligation.

                      There is nothing that makes it my Duty to participate in an unfair corrupt Judicial Proceeding- The Nazi tried to use the excuse of just following orders
                      in their Nuremberg trials and it didn't fly.
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                      • Alex Franke
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by annunaki
                        I view my Civic Duty to only participate in Fair Trials, and not Unfair ones that mislead jurors and fail to Inform them that they are empowered to not only Try the Accused, but also The Law itself.
                        Then you're being honest. But why not go to trial, hear the case, and then -- if you decide you have a problem with the law the case is tried under -- fully inform the other jury members? (Of course, admit your concerns if asked in voir dire.)

                        "Defendant X planned and killed these 10 people systematically, in plain daylight, on video, and in front of these 50 witnesses. Here are his written plans, the murder weapon, the motive, the bodies, the witnesses, etc. The law says that murder is illegal."

                        Sure you can vote for an acquittal on the basis that the jury wasn't informed they could challenge the "murder is illegal" part, but if everyone there agrees with the law (including you), then how is that just?
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                        • annunaki
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                          #27
                          Because of Reasons #1 & #2

                          But why not go to trial, hear the case, and then --

                          Previously stated Reasons #1 & #2
                          If Sequestered overnight for one day, several days, weeks or months -Ted Bundy was in Florida you know.
                          1. Pet Boarding for 6 Dogs, 1 Cat, 1 African G. Parrot = about $100-$150 per day. Court stipend about $10.00 per day.
                          2. Food- Only fast food rest. in Jasper Florida- no possible way to accommodate any specialized diet Re: Kosher, or in my case Vegan; salad bars don't cut it. This is Redneck Bubba Land-Everything fried or BarBQue-Grease Heaven, Biscuits and "Gravy", where fresh Road Kill is a gourmet treat, "Pass the Possum please"."Kosher"- what's that? This is the Jesus Bible Belt!
                          A Prisoner would be treated better respecting dietary special needs. ACLU and many law suits have insured that.

                          Justice is supporting groups like -

                          Fully Informed Jury Association
                          FIJA is a non-profit organization aiming to inform all Americans about their rights, powers and responsibilties when serving as trial jurors.
                          www.fija.org/

                          -that seek to correct these mis-carriages of Justice.

                          To simply go along with the status quo is to perpetuate the wrongs and nothing will ever change it.
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                          • LCHIEN
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                            #28
                            i always go and make myself available to serve on a jury. I don't like it, it's inconvenient and time consuming. And you have to put up with all those idiots who do show up.

                            But I think that maybe, just one day, I or my company or my best friend or kids will end up in court. And I hope they have at least one juror with as much sense and intelligence and impartiality as me on their case.

                            It may not be perfect, but the jury system is the best we have to keep the courts, the executive branch, and the legislators (the three branches of gov't) in check.
                            Compare it to any other country.
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                            • annunaki
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                              #29
                              Not Always

                              Military Tribunals have a needed place as well.

                              But- for any sitting President, they present the what I like to call the Death Warrant Dilemma, because as Commander-In-Chief, if the Military Tribunal finds Guilt and orders Execution, the President MUST SIGN the Death Warrants.
                              One way of avoiding that quandary is to shift the trial to Civilian Courts where a lot of evidence might be inadmissible.

                              So there are times when Tribunals trump Civil Courts
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                              • Alex Franke
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by annunaki
                                Previously stated Reasons #1 & #2
                                Oh, okay. Yeah, vegan is a tough one if it's not common/supported in your community. They might even add insult to injury by plopping you down in a leather seat or something.

                                Originally posted by annunaki
                                To simply go along with the status quo is to perpetuate the wrongs and nothing will ever change it.
                                To be clear, I'm not suggesting perpetuating any wrongs here -- on the contrary I'm suggesting challenging them if it is appropriate to do so. E.g. Say the local shopkeeper faces jail time because he didn't install a rail for tying up horses because of some antiquated law -- then yeah, go all "jury nullification" on 'em! But you can't help nullify the law if you're not a part of the jury.
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