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  • bruce hylton
    Established Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 211
    • winlock, wa
    • Dewalt today

    #1

    Are you unemployed

    if you don't draw monetary compensation? You are not employed if you don't get paid. A house spouse draws no monetary compensation, yet isn't considered unemployed.
  • sweensdv
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2002
    • 2871
    • WI
    • Baileigh TS-1040P-50

    #2
    I don't think so. Retired people are also not considered unemployed or employed. I wouldn't consider a pension as drawing monetary compensation either as that money is already yours.
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    • Stytooner
      Roll Tide RIP Lee
      • Dec 2002
      • 4301
      • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
      • BT3100

      #3
      Not according to our Uncle. Money is money and tax must be levied on it. Sadly.
      Lee

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      • jackellis
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 2638
        • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
        • BT3100

        #4
        I'm employed. I work from home and get paid based on the work I bring in and perform, which provides enough money to live on. In addition, I have a reasonably flexible schedule.

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        • sweensdv
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2002
          • 2871
          • WI
          • Baileigh TS-1040P-50

          #5
          Originally posted by Stytooner
          Not according to our Uncle. Money is money and tax must be levied on it. Sadly.
          I'm not sure who you were responding to but if it was me than I agree that the taxes must be paid. However, pensions and SSI are not payments for current work so that is why I wouldn't consider them current compensation. They are monies that you have earned and set aside in the past for future use. In most cases, such as 401's, that money was not taxed in the past so now the piper must be paid.
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          • billwmeyer
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2003
            • 1858
            • Weir, Ks, USA.
            • BT3000

            #6
            I believe to be unemployed, you must be not only out of work, but you have to be actively seeking employment.

            I used to work at the unemployment office before I got laid off!

            Bill
            "I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."-Kenny Rogers

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            • Stytooner
              Roll Tide RIP Lee
              • Dec 2002
              • 4301
              • Robertsdale, AL, USA.
              • BT3100

              #7
              Originally posted by sweensdv
              I'm not sure who you were responding to but if it was me than I agree that the taxes must be paid. However, pensions and SSI are not payments for current work so that is why I wouldn't consider them current compensation. They are monies that you have earned and set aside in the past for future use. In most cases, such as 401's, that money was not taxed in the past so now the piper must be paid.
              I was responding to you.
              Both my Father and my Step Father are retired from the Army. Even though they are paid with tax money, they still pay taxes. I just find a little irony in that.
              Lee

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              • poolhound
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                • Mar 2006
                • 3196
                • Phoenix, AZ
                • BT3100

                #8
                Originally posted by billwmeyer
                I believe to be unemployed, you must be not only out of work, but you have to be actively seeking employment.

                I used to work at the unemployment office before I got laid off!

                Bill
                Whatever the politically correct yardstick may be I tend to agree with Bill. The key is to differentiate between "un" and "not." There are lots of people who are NOT employed but this is through choice, examples that were already given are stay at home moms (or dads) and retirees. To be UNemployed one must first wish to be employed and be attempting to get employment.
                Jon

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                • twistsol
                  SawdustZone Patron
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 3071
                  • Cottage Grove, MN, USA.
                  • Ridgid R4512, 2x ShopSmith Mark V 520, 1951 Shopsmith 10ER

                  #9
                  There are also the under employed who are working, but looking for a job in their actual field or at a similar pay level to previous employment. I'm employed now, but working for 30% of what I made perviously as an analyst at GM and Coors and I've added 120 round trip miles to my daily commute.
                  Chr's
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                  • Tom Slick
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 2913
                    • Paso Robles, Calif, USA.
                    • sears BT3 clone

                    #10
                    I am not employed right now, come December 13th I will be unemployed.
                    Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

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                    • just started
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 642
                      • suburban Philly

                      #11
                      Regardless of which of the previous categories you are in, you are not COUNTED as being unemployed by the government unless you are collecting unemployment compensation. As soon as your benefits run out you are no longer counted regardless of your actual status.

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                      • L. D. Jeffries
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 747
                        • Russell, NY, USA.
                        • Ryobi BT3000

                        #12
                        Don't know what the answer really is? All I know is that I'm retired and am not nor do I want to be employed! What I really don't know is how I ever had time to work for anyone else. Never have been so busy!
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                        • Ed62
                          The Full Monte
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 6021
                          • NW Indiana
                          • BT3K

                          #13
                          I know what you're talking about. I've been working since 8 o'clock this morning. Just quit at 3:35. So I work, but I'm not employed or unemployed.

                          Ed
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                          • Uncle Cracker
                            The Full Monte
                            • May 2007
                            • 7091
                            • Sunshine State
                            • BT3000

                            #14
                            I wonder how the government can ignore for their statistics those people who are self-employed, but not getting any work from their businesses... These people are not eligible to receive any unemployment compensation, due to self-employment, but they are just as broke and in need of work as anybody who has been laid off a conventional job, only 6 months to a year earlier. How is it that they do not count? Seems like there must be enough of these people out there (I know many) that their numbers could be used to skew the statistics any way one might want.

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