Thinking about buying a gun?

[alpha]

This is not meant to start a political discussion. I am only passing this along as a matter of information since I have been shopping for a new hand gun. As such I am only telling you how to find a link. Just do a google search on "HR 45" so you will be informed. No opinions please.

[cgallery]

No, but I wouldn't mind buying some ammo. Who do you have to know to get some brass?

Thanks for the heads-up. Important reading no matter what side of issue you're on.

[lago]

From what I have picked up on some of the gun forms, it HOPEFULLY will not pass. The Democrats learned their lesson a few years ago.

Of course, Obama has been voted the "NRA Firearm Salesman of the Year'.

Being a reloader, it has become impossible to find reloading components, especially primers. If you don't have the part that goes BANG, then nothing else will work.

It seems that almost all handgun ammo and some rifle ammo is in short supply or even non-existant to find. With the rush on ammo since the election, the thought is that the mfgs. are trying to keep the ammo mfgs supplied with primers. Once they catch up, then maybe primers will be available again.

Brass for reloaders has become scarce also. Powder, to some extent, is still available.

Fortunately, I have enough for hunting the next year or two.

[FL Buckeye]

No, but I wouldn't mind buying some ammo. Who do you have to know to get some brass?

With the price of ammo now, all I can afford is the rimfire stuff. Don't want to deplete my "tools" budget!

[TheChief]

As written I can't see how it would pass. Maybe... maybe not... but my bet is against it.

The broo-ha-ha over what's going to happen to rights to own such products -- and the response of those on both sides of the issue, but primarily the hoarders -- reminds me a lot of how some folks were just absolutely sure that the very day of the inauguration all kind of bad things would come to pass.

And... so far? I can't see that most our day-to-day has changed much. Details here and there, of course, but most of America is still fat and warm and dry and the blood of innocents has not yet flooded the country up to our doorsteps.

My call? Give it time. When the fanatics come to realize that the product in question hasn't been outlawed and the Revolution won't be coming tomorrow or next month or next year, demand will peter out, stock will be ramp up again, the market price will settle and the sensible among us will be able to return to hunting, targeting, plinking and continuing to protect ourselves when necessary.

[Uncle Cracker]

I think it will be seen as a threat to individual liberties, and I doubt many politicians will want to go there. Besides, there is little or no argument to the fact that someone who wants to use a gun to commit a crime will not be deterred by not having a licensed one. In fact, even as a law-abiding citizen, I still will not get rid of mine, even if the government asks for them.

[BerniePA]

I think it will be seen as a threat to individual liberties, and I doubt many politicians will want to go there. Besides, there is little or no argument to the fact that someone who wants to use a gun to commit a crime will not be deterred by not having a licensed one. In fact, even as a law-abiding citizen, I still will not get rid of mine, even if the government asks for them.

I think that if by some ATROCITY it does pass, we will see a whole new crop of criminals in this country, starting with UC and ending with ME!!!

[Hellrazor]

I think that if by some ATROCITY it does pass, we will see a whole new crop of criminals in this country, starting with UC and ending with ME!!!

That passes and we are looking at a civil war. I don't know a single gun owner who will be willing to give them up.

[cgallery]

That passes and we are looking at a civil war.

I guess we're all going to have to move to another country, I nominate Texas.

[bruce hylton]

Altough there are people that will tell you different, I do not own a single gun. However I own several weapons of mass destruction, or at least I am the registered owner of several Ford products, a couple GMC products, and a couple pieces of heavy equipment. All of which combine to cause more death and destruction each year in the U.S.A. than is reported from the use of guns. Make my world better by appling a code of ethics on the media and law makers and I would be happier and everyone else would be safer.

[Tom Slick]

Just to put some numbers to Bruce's statement
CDC stats in 2006:
Gun related deaths (all types) 30,896
Gun related non-violent 642
Violence/homicide, non-gun 22,273
Motor vehicle deaths (all types) 45,509
Bicycle deaths 926
Pedestrian deaths 6,162
Heart Disease 631,636 (#1)
Diabetes 72,449
Flu 56,326

[XXL]

Just a little more info:

Just to put some numbers to Bruce's statement
CDC stats in 2006:
Gun related deaths (all types) 30,896
Gun related non-violent 642
Violence/homicide, non-gun 22,273
Motor vehicle deaths (all types) 45,509
Bicycle deaths 926
Pedestrian deaths 6,162
Heart Disease 631,636 (#1)
Diabetes 72,449
Flu 56,326

In my job I care for elderly (mostly) ex- smokers....of those 600,000+ folks who die of heart disease, around 400,000 are attributed to tobacco use. Coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, emphysema, bronchitis and asthma are all worsened by tobacco use. Another legal product with consequences for it use.
By comparison, guns are not the problem.....
XXL

[Alex Franke]

It'll probably just die in committee. Lots of stuff does.

I think TheChief is right about ammo prices.

[cwsmith]

I doubt that it will pass. Everytime there is a so-called "mass-killing", bills like this get put on the agenda and they rarely go very far. Personally, I have to admit to being a person who in my teens and early 20's had some interest in "guns". But as I became older, my opinion changed toward handguns. (I've always had a rifle.) While I felt we all need to be defense oriented, my thinking was that a "law abiding citizen" would be appropriately protected by the local law officials. As time has passed, I've become convince that this is not so much a political issue as it is a social one. Unfortunately it definitely reflects on a society that has degraded over the past couple of decades and the balance has shifted to give the upper hand to those with criminal intent. All the gun laws in the world aren't going to matter to those who live outside the law.

Unfortunately the sad fact is that the laws that are "on the books" don't seem to be totally inforced or inforcible. With the recent killings in Binghamton, the guy had a permit. Oddly, when he applied, his father wrote to the county sheriff and pleaded his case against his son being allowed to have a gun permit, yet it was granted anyway. Since then, the guy's reputation showed some significant problems and even some threats, yet he was never investigated and his gun permit never questioned.

My mind has changed and I'm now of the opinion that we all need "protection" and too often it's immediate. Too many incidences to wonder about safety from the police only, and I'm now certain that a responsible, armed citizenry, is perhaps an appropriate measure for the times.

CWS

[bmyers]

I guess we're all going to have to move to another country, I nominate Texas.

Thats a good one. It is a different country.. After the first civil war, they kept their own constitution in the top drawer of the desk, "just in case".