To buy a car - where do you start?

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  • JimD
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 4187
    • Lexington, SC.

    #16
    I told my daughter we would buy her a car last night and started her on this journey.

    My first step is to decide what is important to me and make up a spreadsheet. Then I go on edmunds and look up as much as I can of what I care about. I am 6'2", for instance, and my son is taller. I put head and leg room on the spreadsheet because we cannot fit in all vehicles. My daughter is 5'9" so she probably does not need that criteria. I want cruise control, she probably does too. I car how big the engine is and how much power it has. She does not. Organizing the information this way helps keep things straight for me. Otherwise, it is very hard.

    When I narrow it down a little this way I start looking at vehicles. Then I decide what I want to buy and what I might buy if the price is good enough. The last SUV I bought I considered a Chevy Equinox, a Hyundai Sante Fe, and a Suzuki Grand Vitara (2006). You might want to add the Jeep Compass or Patriot (I think they are the same except for styling) to your list, I've seem them for less than $15K in adds. I need to pull a 2000 lb boat which kept me from having smaller and 4 cylinder SUVs on my list. I wanted the Suzuki, after looking at my specs and looking at the vehicles, because it had the most "stuff" for the price. I got a price first on the Chevy and Sante Fe, however, and used that to get the price I wanted on the Suzuki.

    I will not force my daughter to follow my process exactly but I told her she has to explain her choice to me to get the check. The process of talking it thorugh with me will help her learn how to do this so next time, when it is her money, she will know what she is doing. Basic steps are to do some research on paper, do some research actually looking at and driving the vehicles, think about it (in our case pray about it) and then go make a deal. If you cannot get the deal you want, walk away and pray and think some more. Maybe your expectation was wrong but maybe if you wait you'll get what you want.

    Last point. End of month, end of quarter, and end of year are all important to car dealers (new). They get incentives from the manufacturer that are a function of what they sell over these intervals. A few more can make them more money on every vehicle they've sold over that interval. They will tend to give you a little better price at these times.

    Jim

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    • radhak
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2006
      • 3061
      • Miramar, FL
      • Right Tilt 3HP Unisaw

      #17
      Oh, did not know CarMax was no haggle. All the more appealing to me. And Autotrader for selling mine sounds good too.

      Steve, how does the remote buying work on ebay : don't you need to test drive? As an auction, you don't have the flexibility of trying it and walking away if you don't like it, do you?
      And who pays for the shipping, and how much does it work out to?

      Jim, great tips, thanks. I should be using some of that myself.
      It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
      - Aristotle

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      • jackellis
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 2638
        • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
        • BT3100

        #18
        I don't know whether to thank Radhak for this thread, which helped us re-think our purchasing process, or curse him for the extra $2k he's going to cost us

        In about three hours, I'm expecting a call back from the Internet sales desk of a dealer in Folsom who has exactly what I want, new (2008). I checked Edmunds against Kelly Blue Book and know what the market value of the truck is - just slightly above invoice. If they won't sell it for around that price, LOML drove an identically equipped 2007 model with 10k miles and I'm dangling that in front of them as the competition. I think, though, that a little extra for several years of warranty coverage and the peace of mind that comes from knowing who drove the vehicle and how is worth it.

        I'm very willing to pay the market price and dealers are willing to accept the market price (what Edmunds calls True Market Value). Interestingly enough, those of us who take the time to do our homework have a huge advantage in the market over those who have no idea what a vehicle is worth. That series of articles on Edmunds about working at a dealership really drove the point home, too.

        Interestingly enough, my wife said acceleration on the 4 cylinder Tacoma was so good driving in Reno (4,000 foot elevation) that the sales person thought it was a V6.

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        • dbhost
          Slow and steady
          • Apr 2008
          • 9523
          • League City, Texas
          • Ryobi BT3100

          #19
          Originally posted by radhak
          ...I desire a crossover SUV (or Compact SUV, as some call them), but have never driven any. So I am thinking this route :
          (a) Short-list cars I'd like. Almost done : RAV4/CR-V/Forrestor/Rogue
          Good list, I would not have picked the same ones as you, but good list none the less. (I am NOT a Nissan fan, had really bad luck with them...) My list would have been...
          Escape, Mariner, RAV4, CRV, Forrester in that order. (I'm a Ford guy...)

          (b) Make a list of approx cost for new/used from internet / local papers
          Forget the new car pricing, other than what to stay away from. Too expensive. Buy pre owned. Either from an individual, or from new car dealer / Car Max with an extended warranty thrown in...

          (c) Trial drive new cars at a couple of dealers.
          This more for a personal gratification than anything else. When else will I get this opportunity, even if I don't intend to buy new ?
          I'd pass on that. Waste of time. Test drive the actual cars you are interested in, not just samples of new...

          (d) Trial drive older cars, also at dealers

          (e) Should I try out CarMax / CarsDirect / (any other)?
          I don't know anything about CarsDirect, but Car Max has done right by myself, my family, and several of my friends for at least a dozen cars... I highly reccomend them. At least the locations in Houston anyway...
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