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  • Im A Little Petunia
    Forum Newbie
    • Aug 2005
    • 56
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    #1

    Rod's New Scooter

    I have debated and debated whether to write about Rod’s new scooter, but decided to go ahead. I know he’s extremely excited and has had the riding course, bought proper attire of which is the helmet, gotten his license, knows the rules of the road, will ride in the proper lane, will obey all traffic signals, use his side mirrors, signals etc., but Rod, you can still get hit! I don’t want to doom and gloom on your parade, but caution everyone who rides be extremely careful! You can be extremely careful and it can be someone else who isn’t careful that can take you out! I know from experience what can happen.
    I bought a brand new Honda Metropolitan scooter in the fall of 2006. I only got to ride it long enough before winter to realize that for extra safety I needed to buy a scooter than would go a little faster so I could keep up with the “flow” of traffic etc. The town I live in is really small, but I stayed off the highway going through town because ‘Lil red’ could only make it to 38 – sometimes 40 MPH. In AR 50cc and below does not have to be licensed, but I did take the written test anyway. In the late summer of 2007 I sold the little scooter and stepped up to a little more powerful “Buddy” 125cc – up to 70 MPH. I got it the first day of August (had to drive about 150 miles one way to pick it up – none in my area at all). I was so excited; it was the second year for this scooter in the states and it really looked good and had some nice features. Since I am short legged, I had the seat cut down and dressed in soft leather. The guy that did the work was really good but his business is so busy that he couldn’t take it right away. All told, about two weeks went by and I still hadn’t gotten to ride. Finally got it back and started riding some evenings after work. The 23’rd of August I was on my way back home after a long ride around town and this is when it happened. I was on a through street, almost home, three to four blocks away when a woman in an SUV decided to run a stop sign, all the time looking to her left and never to her right, rolling through the stop sign. She admitted to the police that she was rolling through the stop sign looking to her left at a man on a bicycle. I woke up in the Emergency room of the hospital having no memory of the collision. I had had my scooter for 22 days and of course didn’t get to ride it but very few days of the 22. It had 72 actual miles on it. At the hospital they told me my clavicle was not broken, gave me a couple of shots of Demerol and sent me home telling me to see my Primary Care Physician in two days, which was after the weekend – the accident happened on a Thursday evening. Long story short, my clavicle WAS broken, almost in the exact middle and after $40,000.00 + in medical expenses and over 45 days of physical therapy and almost a year of my life taken away because of someone else’s mindless moment, I am finally able to once again start working in my little shop. Actually doing woodwork turned out to be almost better physical therapy than the actual therapy itself. I would say I have probably regained almost 95 percent of my mobility in that shoulder and arm, but I do now sport the latest style in a titanium plates with 7 screws, which were a mere $200.00 apiece holding my clavicle together. I think the plate was $1,500.00. When you’re my age you often times don’t heal or don’t heal very fast – let’s just say I’m a mite older than Rod.
    I just want Rod and everyone else to be ever vigilant and extra careful while riding. I do know how to ride, as these were not my first two-wheeled vehicles. Back when I was ‘young’ I had a Honda Passport scooter, and then sold it for a small Kawasaki 250cc motorcycle. I did not replace the scooter. I am not afraid to ride a scooter again, but I just didn’t want to take the risk of being run into. It’s been one long year but I’m lucky because it could have taken my life. My attorney is almost ready to file the claim with the woman’s insurance company and then that part will be over. I’ll always have a plate that sticks up from the top of my shoulder down to my throat though. I wish safe riding for all of you that ride scooters/motorcycles! And I apologize for being long winded, but in this instance I just couldn’t help it! – A woman’s prerogative you know! :-)

    Ride Safely All
    Lynn
  • cgallery
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 4503
    • Milwaukee, WI
    • BT3K

    #2
    Safety reminders are always welcome here. Whether we're cutting wood, or riding bikes (motorized or not), I think we all need to be watchful of our own stupidity, and that of others.

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    • germdoc
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2003
      • 3567
      • Omaha, NE
      • BT3000--the gray ghost

      #3
      I agree with the above. Wear a helmet!

      I think the risk should be no greater for a scooter than for a bicycle provided you don't drive too fast. I ride a bicycle to work every day. The trick is to know when to "drive" like a car in traffic so that they know you're there and can't ignore you, but when to ride on the side and yield to them and give the big guys their room.

      The good news is that with gas prices what they are, scooters and bicycles will be getting increasingly more common, and traffic will become much more attuned to them.
      Jeff


      “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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      • RodKirby
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2002
        • 3136
        • Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
        • Mao Shan TSC-10RAS

        #4
        Many thanks for your concern, Lyn. I'm so sorry you have had to go thru all that.

        Most of the initial instruction was about safety and "survival space", and I think being the oldest pupil out of 6, and having driven for 50 years; I took much more notice than the others. Also, at 66, I have no inclination to take any chances.

        While recognizing that I have no control over others, I also know everything on the road will be aimed directly at me! I will be ever vigilant.

        (BTW - In Oz you aren't allowed to drive/ride on ANY 2 wheeled vehicle without a helmet).
        Last edited by RodKirby; 07-18-2008, 12:26 PM.
        Downunder ... 1" = 25.4mm

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        • jspelbring
          Established Member
          • Nov 2004
          • 167
          • Belleville, IL, USA.
          • Craftsman 22114

          #5
          Paranoia

          I currently switch off my commutes and fun rides between a 150cc scooter and a recumbent bike. I've ridden bicycles and motorcycles most of my life, and I've formulated my own "Rules" for riding -

          1. Be visible - lights, bright colors reflective tape, mirrors, horns, etc.
          2. Dress safely - helmet (always!), proper protective (and brightly colored) clothing.
          3. Never assume that drivers see you, in fact, assume that they do not.
          4. Be paranoid. Assume that every driver that you see (are ACTIVELY trying to get you.

          That said, I don't fear riding - I just treat it with appropriate respect - just like I respect my table saw.
          To do is to be.

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          • cabinetman
            Gone but not Forgotten RIP
            • Jun 2006
            • 15216
            • So. Florida
            • Delta

            #6
            Lynn,

            You're alive, and that's what is important.

            I've ridden motorcycles for many years, and attest to the fact that "not being seen" is one of the major problems. Another one is not being able to stop fast or safely enough. Most of the braking on scooters and motorcycles is on the front wheel, and the transfer of weight to the front puts the geometry of the bike at a disadvantage, because it's also the steering end of the bike.

            As riders, we can always say that we try to be careful, but it's not always our fault, or, it's too fast of a predicament for us to do anything quick enough to avoid.
            .

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            • LCHIEN
              Super Moderator
              • Dec 2002
              • 21993
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              so is it just me or do SUV's seem to be involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents?
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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              • RAFlorida
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 1179
                • Green Swamp in Central Florida. Gator property!
                • Ryobi BT3000

                #8
                Loring, that's the makings of a whole

                new thread in it's own right. About 5 months ago, loml was coming back home from shopping, turned into the driveway, looked back at a car setting out front, bam bam, hit two of our small trees....
                Sorry to hear of your accident Lynn, glad you're doing better and that woodworking was the best therapy for you!
                And to Rod and all others, be SAFE.

                edit. forgot to state that loml was driving the Toyota SUV.
                Last edited by RAFlorida; 07-18-2008, 01:44 PM.

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                • Hellrazor
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 2091
                  • Abyss, PA
                  • Ridgid R4512

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LCHIEN
                  so is it just me or do SUV's seem to be involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents?
                  SUV's have a lot of blind spots and small mirrors. Every door post or frame is a potential blind spot...

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                  • crokett
                    The Full Monte
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 10627
                    • Mebane, NC, USA.
                    • Ryobi BT3000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LCHIEN
                    so is it just me or do SUV's seem to be involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents?
                    People also like to complain about them. Plus they are bigger and generally come off better in accidents. Also drivers tend to be more aggressive since they feel safer.
                    David

                    The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                    • kirkroy
                      Established Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 343
                      • Brunswick, MD

                      #11
                      As a 15k mile per year motorcycle commuter in a very, very busy area (washington, dc area, including the infamous beltway) I take a little different tack than the "assume they don't see you" thing. I assume that if they can see me they'll purposefully try to hit me. It's kind of sad to have to think this way but it is effective. Also, consider any accident your fault. After all, calling it the other guys fault is pretty useless if you are maimed or dead (fault is an insurance concept, after all). Do all you can to be defensive, e.g., if someone follows too close leave extra space in front of you.

                      I also wear full protective gear, including a full suit (like this, http://www.aerostich.com/catalog/US/...t-p-16133.html) since I really like to keep my skin where it is. I've never crash tested my gear (knock on wood) but I like to do what I can for safety's sake. This may seem like overkill, particularly for a scooter, but once you've seen someone with severe road rash, well... once is enough.

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                      • Kristofor
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 1331
                        • Twin Cities, MN
                        • Jet JTAS10 Cabinet Saw

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LCHIEN
                        so is it just me or do SUV's seem to be involved in a disproportionately large number of accidents?
                        There are 100 million of them on the road give or take (well, the category covers SUVs and small trucks) so massive popularity is part of the issue.

                        However, I think the other reason why it sounds like so many are involved is because the only thing you ever hear reported specifically is about SUVs. I'm not sure that I've ever heard a reporter say something like "A sub-compact, and a midsized sedan were involved in 2 car accident yesterday on..." But it's fairly common to hear "An SUV and a car" or "Two SUVs were involved..."

                        I think it falls into the category of "Shark Attack Summer" a couple years ago where there is a preconceived idea of what the news story should be, and objectivity or facts (like a relatively lower incidence of attacks) won't be allowed to interfere.

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                        • Ed62
                          The Full Monte
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 6021
                          • NW Indiana
                          • BT3K

                          #13
                          That was a good post, Lynn. Glad to hear you're coming along OK. It could easily have been bad enough that you wouldn't have had the chance to post at all.

                          Ed
                          Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

                          For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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                          • leehljp
                            The Full Monte
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 8770
                            • Tunica, MS
                            • BT3000/3100

                            #14
                            I have had 2 scooters here in Japan for most of the 20+ years that I have been here. With a total of 15,000+ kilometers on them, I am aware of the dangers. I go into an almost paranoia mode when riding them - i.e. I am constantly scanning forward, mirrors, side streets, car speeds, trucks etc.

                            Stop lights and stop signs - I watch for all of them and I doubt that there was a single intersection that I ever went through that I didn't know where each vehicle was and its relative speed before I got to it.

                            The perfectly aware mind and the searching eye are the greatest safety features of a scooter!
                            (Reminds me of an old joke - perfect paranoia is perfect awareness!)



                            Some people are so much into what is right and wrong and when they have the right of way - that they don't allow for other people's mistakes because they figure they are in the right. This is the prescription for wrecks, even if it isn't their own fault. This is also a POOR defensive driving attitude. Folks, the law is NOT your protector, it is only to your benefit in judgments and litigations AFTER the fact of an accident! "Prevention" is based on your awareness of a constant changing situation.

                            People in larger cities in Japan use bicycles considerably for immediate local travel. I noticed the first time I traveled to Seoul, South Korea back in '87, that there were considerably less bicycles used there. To a Korean friend, I noted this and asked "Why".

                            He said, "If you ride a bike and you get hit by a car, you are dead!"

                            Me: "What about traffic laws? Don't they protect a bicycle rider?"

                            Him: "When you are dead, you are dead! Laws are only for the living who are left behind."


                            BACK TO SCOOTERS: For the most part - laws are for - "After The Fact" in which judgements are based. The MIND and EYE are the BEST protectors.
                            Last edited by leehljp; 07-18-2008, 06:39 PM.
                            Hank Lee

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