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  • gordons
    Established Member
    • Aug 2003
    • 192
    • Charlotte, NC, USA.
    • Ryobi BT3100

    #1

    Rants on Big Company Scams - LONG

    Rant #1:

    Yesterday, I had the displeasure of dealing with Dish TV. On review of my latest monthly statement, I noticed a $5.00 "Programming Access Fee" charge. Since I did not recall accessing any programs, I called their customer 'disservice'.

    First phone call cut off while connecting. Third attempt connected with a representative who immediately tried to sell me some or other insurance for $5.99 per month while skilfully avoiding my questioning of the $5.00 charge. She suffered from an extremely powerful case of verbal diarrhea. Eventually, I had to raise my voice (yes, I did shout) at her and tell her to stop talking. I then inquired whether she was reading from a script. She claimed not to.

    Once again, I asked what the charge was for. Turns out that on May 6, Dish TV attempted to access their receiver(s) in my house and apparently my phone line was down, or didn't permit them to connect. Hence the $5.00 charge. She tried to convince me that I should call them when there was a break in this communication link. At this point, smoke was coming out of every orifice in my head and I requested that I be connected to a supervisor.

    When he came on the line, I advised him that I found Dish TV's practice of charging this fee to not only be offensive, but seems to me that it is borderline theft. In a perfect world, my phone line would never go down and Dish would never have to "do upgrades". If there was a company who guaranteed 100% uptime, I suggested that we should both invest there as we would make a lot of money. I advised him that I had absolutely no interest in monitoring my connection between my telephone line and Dish TV boxes 24/7/365 - what were they doing??. Bottom line is he credited my account for next month, but insisted on putting me through to tech support - reason(s) unknown.

    I discussed this issue with tech support and advised then not to put this charge through again. They advised that it was noted on my account, but it may happen again.

    If you have this or similar systems, be warned to monitor your bills for these scam/blatant theft charges. And ask yourself this: In this day and age, they send signals hundreds of miles into the sky, bounce them off a tiny object, catch then on a small antenna and show them to you in HD too. WHY THEN do they need a telephone line to perform upgrades to their system AND if you don't have a line connected, they charge you $5.00. Will this $5.00 charge make everything right and they will never upgrade your receivers again??? OR are they just monitoring everything you do???

    Just as an aside, I am waiting over a year for this same company to award me a $100 refund offer that they had when you signed up for a new service. This is in spite of mailing information to them twice and numerous follow up phone calls to them and promises by them. Next step? An ombudsman?

    Rant #2

    I purchased an item from Kmart/Sears online. Why? Because they didn't carry it in the stores and it was only available online. At the time of purchase it was priced at $199 with FREE shipping promo. I went ahead and ordered the item and made sure that if I was not happy with it, I could return it to a store. I was assured that this was the case.

    The item arrived, and I was concerned about some of the components and decided to return it to a Kmart store. They asked me for the packing slip which I had not noticed in the package, but found stuck to the exterior of the box. When I produced this, the customer 'disservice' representative proceeded to refund me $149.

    Shocked, I asked what happened to the other $50? She showed me the packing slip and sure enough, the price shown was $149. It seems that the "FREE" shipping is indeed $50 and to counter this, they reduced the purchase price by $50. Since they do not refund shipping charges, that's it. You lose!!!

    Now, nowhere on their website or in discussion with their online representative was this anomaly ever mentioned or displayed. So, be warned of another devious scam at work.

    Sad to see how big companies are also masters at the art of scamming. Somewhere there must be a way to expose them for all to see and force them become honest businesses. All I ask is a fair shake.


    End of rant. If you got this far, thanks for reading.
    Gordon
    I'd rather be a hammer than a nail
  • iceman61
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 699
    • West TN
    • Bosch 4100-09

    #2
    The real reason they want your phone line hooked up is so they can check to see how many PPV movies you have watched so they can charge you for those. As far as I know, all upgrades are done thru the open air. Your receiver does downloads thru the dish & uploads thru the phone line. I know that DirectTV receivers used to let you watch up to $20 worth of PPV movies & then no more until you had a phoneline hooked up. The other reason they want a phoneline hooked up is so they can check for satelite piracy. Satellite companies make a call to your receiver once a month. To sum it all up, the phoneline is just so they can see what you've been doing.

    All that said, I think the $5 charge for not having a phoneline hooked up is BS.

    Last month I noticed a "Tennessee Satellite Privilege Tax." After googling this, I noticed that alot of states already do this with satellite & cable too.

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    • MikeMcCoy
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2004
      • 790
      • Moncks Corner, SC, USA.
      • Delta Contractor Saw

      #3
      I didn't know that about the phone lines but had considered switching from cable to satellite. Since I don't have a land line I guess that isn't going to be happening. I'm in one of those locations where the only cable service is also the only internet and phone service. Otherwise I would have been forced to get the phone also.

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      • viking4949
        Forum Newbie
        • Jan 2008
        • 54
        • Northwest Indiana
        • Craftsman 22811

        #4
        Dish with no phone line

        I too have Dish, but I do not have a home phone line. I have to pay the $5.00 a month for not having a line, so you can do it, but it costs more.

        Brandon

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        • germdoc
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2003
          • 3567
          • Omaha, NE
          • BT3000--the gray ghost

          #5
          Don't get me started on cellphone or credit card companies. Just trying to decipher the cellphone bill, which they "helpfully" changed to 8-pt. font "to save paper", gives me a headache.

          But hey, just think? Some cretin got a raise for suggesting these scams to the boss!
          Jeff


          “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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          • LarryG
            The Full Monte
            • May 2004
            • 6693
            • Off The Back
            • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

            #6
            Originally posted by MikeMcCoy
            I didn't know that about the phone lines but had considered switching from cable to satellite. Since I don't have a land line I guess that isn't going to be happening.
            Call them and ask. I once had one of their CS reps tell me, in so many words, that they are pretty lax about enforcing this. He told me it was really just for the PPV issue that's already been mentioned; and if you didn't use that feature, they didn't much care.

            We started with cable, switched to DirecTV, switched back to cable when lightning took out both receivers and I decided I didn't want to pay to replace them. But after a couple years back with cable, I am constantly reminded why I liked satellite so much better, so I'm considering switching back to DirecTV. And they appear to want my business back because they have sent me a monthly come-on every month, without fail, since I left them. But we're about to discontinue our land phone line. After that, if I do switch back to DirecTV, if they really do want me back it'll be on my terms: no land line, and with no surcharge for not having one. (I don't know whether they have the same policy as DISH Network; I'm just saying, if they do, I ain't payin' it.)
            Larry

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            • crokett
              The Full Monte
              • Jan 2003
              • 10627
              • Mebane, NC, USA.
              • Ryobi BT3000

              #7
              I have never had a phone line hooked up to either of my DirecTV satellite receivers, but then we never watch PPV events either. I just checked my bill and there is no surcharge. So apparently DirecTV doesn't care.
              Last edited by crokett; 05-15-2008, 10:36 AM.
              David

              The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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              • LarryG
                The Full Monte
                • May 2004
                • 6693
                • Off The Back
                • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

                #8
                Originally posted by crokett
                I have never had a phone line hooked up to either of my DirecTV satellite receivers, but then we never watch PPV events either. I suppose I should go check my bill to see if there is a surcharge. We have a landline now, but for a few years I didn't.
                Oh, I forgot to mention ... during the seven or so years I had DirecTV, the phone line was actually connected maybe 5% of the time, so that lightning would have one less path to the receivers (which, ultimately, didn't save them). I plugged it in on those few occasions I wanted to order a PPV movie and then disconnected it afterwards. My bill remained constant the entire time I had the service, apart from the usual periodic price increases and, of course, the charges for what little PPV stuff I did order.
                Last edited by LarryG; 05-15-2008, 10:38 AM.
                Larry

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                • iceman61
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 699
                  • West TN
                  • Bosch 4100-09

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crokett
                  I have never had a phone line hooked up to either of my DirecTV satellite receivers, but then we never watch PPV events either. I just checked my bill and there is no surcharge. So apparently DirecTV doesn't care.
                  I've never had a phone line hooked up to mine either. Been with DirectTV since 2000 here.

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                  • rjwaldren
                    Established Member
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 368
                    • Fresno, CA

                    #10
                    When we had Dish installed at our new home, they required "professional" installation - Every thing was already inplace but they no longer allow "self installs. While thier installer was there screwing in 2 'F' connections and plugging in the power cord I asked about the phone line. He said it was only necessary for PPV and to account for additional recievers. Since we only had the one dual reciever it was not needed. What it came down to is he didn't want to extend the phoneline to the location. Our first bill had 2 months of the access fee. I had to go through the same experience to get it credited back, but they tried to make it like they we're doing me a favor. I've had it happen on two seperate occasions since (with a phone line) both requiring the same debate with customer service.

                    Another issue I have with companies like this is the "new customer only" deals. I understand if your still in a contract period, but DISH wanted 200+ and 20/month for a HD reciever that was free to new customers. It's cheaper for me to cancel DISH and go with a DirecTV HD plan.

                    I went through this with Sprint a few years back - 300 for the phone I wanted which was free to new customers. One of their suggestions was to cancel my service and I would be considered a new customer in 30 days. I took this advice and have been a Cingular customer ever since.

                    Most of their strategies are to lure you into a contract and then hope you stop paying attention. Since existing customers are usually under contract they don't have any incentive to keep you happy.

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                    • DUD
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 3309
                      • Jonesboro, Arkansas, USA.
                      • Ryobi BT3000

                      #11
                      I have had DirecTv since the Mid 90's and I have never been plugged into a phone line.

                      We are on a bank draft and the bill has not increased in awhile. There is also no $5.00

                      fee on the statement for that. Bill
                      5 OUT OF 4 PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND FRACTIONS.

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                      • Russianwolf
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3152
                        • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
                        • One of them there Toy saws

                        #12
                        I've had Dish Network on and off for years. Never had this charge. Also, I will never agree to a contract with them. When I call, they always tell me I have to agree to a contract of x months and I'll have to pay a reactivation fee since I'm not "new".

                        I tell them that's okay, I can call direct TV.

                        They always back down.

                        We are on Cable right now as they were running a special, once it's up we'll probably go back to Dish. This time, they'll be sending me a couple HD-DVR boxes or not get my business back.
                        Mike
                        Lakota's Dad

                        If at first you don't succeed, deny you were trying in the first place.

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                        • Rand
                          Established Member
                          • May 2005
                          • 492
                          • Vancouver, WA, USA.

                          #13
                          I started out with Primestar. They got bought out by DirecTV. I had Directv for about 3 years. The first time I moved they gave me a cheap re-install right away. The second time I moved they told me I would have to wait 20 days to get a new dish. I told them that was unacceptable. They said they were sorry.

                          So, I then switched to Dish Network because they could install the next day. When my Dish Network DVR failed I called up customer service. They could send me a new DVR for $35.00 or I could upgrade to a free HD DVR. I had to pay some money up front to get the new Dish and HD DVR installed but I got it back in $10.00 monthly rebates for a year.

                          The "Professional" who installed the HD box didn't carry a long enough phone cord to connect the DVR Receiver so he left the cable strung across the middle of the room....

                          I unplugged it as soon as he left and haven't seen the access fee. I've had it a year.

                          I have friends that own tivo's and friends that have the Directv DVR and I have to say the Dish one is much easier to use.
                          Rand
                          "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like your thumb."

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                          • TB Roye
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 2969
                            • Sacramento, CA, USA.
                            • BT3100

                            #14
                            I have Dish and I don't have any fee like that. The is a $10 fee for 2 additional receivers and the monthly charge for my LOML's East Enders Program she get on PPV. The only time the phone line 25ft. is connected is for the first Sunday of the month when she goes through the sign up process, the rest of the time no phone lines on any of the receivers. None of the receivers are close enought to have a phone connected at all times. They don't need a phone line to check on who is pirating the signal as they have ways of change the electronic keys for the access card in the receiver and if you are stealing the signal the card goes down and you loose signal. The same for Direct TV. I think now you don't even need the acess card in the newer receivers. I am due a free upgrade to a HD/DVR receiver and I will get it when we get our new flat panel HD TV this fall.

                            Tom
                            Last edited by TB Roye; 05-15-2008, 05:11 PM.

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                            • mater
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 4197
                              • SC, USA.

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gordons
                              Rant #2

                              I purchased an item from Kmart/Sears online. Why? Because they didn't carry it in the stores and it was only available online. At the time of purchase it was priced at $199 with FREE shipping promo. I went ahead and ordered the item and made sure that if I was not happy with it, I could return it to a store. I was assured that this was the case.

                              The item arrived, and I was concerned about some of the components and decided to return it to a Kmart store. They asked me for the packing slip which I had not noticed in the package, but found stuck to the exterior of the box. When I produced this, the customer 'disservice' representative proceeded to refund me $149.

                              Shocked, I asked what happened to the other $50? She showed me the packing slip and sure enough, the price shown was $149. It seems that the "FREE" shipping is indeed $50 and to counter this, they reduced the purchase price by $50. Since they do not refund shipping charges, that's it. You lose!!!

                              Now, nowhere on their website or in discussion with their online representative was this anomaly ever mentioned or displayed. So, be warned of another devious scam at work.

                              Sad to see how big companies are also masters at the art of scamming. Somewhere there must be a way to expose them for all to see and force them become honest businesses. All I ask is a fair shake.


                              End of rant. If you got this far, thanks for reading.
                              That sucks. If you have the email copy they sent you stating the price was $199 then they owe you $50. If you used a credit card then call them and dispute the charge.
                              Ken aka "mater"

                              " People may doubt what you say but they will never doubt what you do "

                              Ken's Den

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