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  • cabinetman
    Gone but not Forgotten RIP
    • Jun 2006
    • 15216
    • So. Florida
    • Delta

    #1

    I'm Due For A Rant

    I'm not one to sit in front of a TV and swing my arms wildly and scream and yell when so and so catches the ball, or a basket is made. What I do get vocal about is when teens commit crimes and everybody places the blame other than where it belongs.

    When I was young enough to run without falling, I was taught AT HOME, the difference between right and wrong. If I made a bad choice, my parents would set me right, one way or another. There was no in-between. By the time I got into school, I knew the difference. It was up to the school to give me an education, not to teach discipline. If I screwed up there, my parents were notified immediately, and there was resolution before I knew what hit me. Those were the times when parents were liable for the actions of their children.

    I watch the news covering one of these senseless crimes where teens, and in some cases pre-teens carry guns and knives to school, and then injure or kill someone. Where are the parents? The media doesn't put their sorry faces on TV and ask them what the heck is going on. These shows that have the parents and their wayward kids mouthing off, with the "boot camp" threat is just ludicrous. They are saying they can't control their children.

    Of course they can't. They waited for their teenage son to get to 220 lbs and 6'2" to try to teach them discipline. IF the parents do make a statement they blame the schools for not doing their jobs. Like it's the teachers' fault. Some of the teachers I know are afraid to go to school. I had a client that was a high school teacher and was attacked severely in the parking lot, and spent a week in the hospital.

    So, where am I going with this? I really don't know. I just feel that parents are not accepting the theory that it's their job. The control and respect needed from a child has to be instilled from the time of infancy. Sounds a little far fetched, but the learning process starts at birth. Could it be that those parents didn't get the message from their parents, and so on and so on.

    I don't think there is any good enough excuse for not performing parental duties. Single parent families, work schedules, or any other problematic interference only hurts the child. It's hard to believe that parents dont't get a hint from their kid's disposition or activities that there is something wrong. Maybe it's just a lack of communication.

    Kids today threaten their parents that they'll "call the cops" if they get hit, or lie about it. If I said that to my father when I was a teenager, I would get hit.

    My father told me at a young age that when I get to the point that I could beat his butt, I would know better not to.
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  • nothing
    Forum Newbie
    • Sep 2007
    • 55
    • Central MS
    • Delta 36-979 with 30" Biese

    #2
    That's pretty much dead on. What really gets me is when the kid pulls a gun on a cop or armed civilian and gets killed. Then the parents always go on the news and talk about what a good boy he was and he'd never do "insert vile act". It's the police/armed citizen just trying to murder their kid. It's not like Jr. was really threatening them with his 9mm brynco . Now they take it a step further with these trashy lawyers by filing a civil suit against the person or department that shot their kid.

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    • jking
      Senior Member
      • May 2003
      • 972
      • Des Moines, IA.
      • BT3100

      #3
      I guess I'm pretty old school, too. Part of the reason I behaved at school was I knew the punishment at home would be much worse than anything the school could do. Not only did my parents know how to discipline us, but, they also knew how to make us feel shame for what we did. Too few people these days feel shame for wrong actions.

      When I was under my parents roof, I never got to a point where I thought I could take my dad on.

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      • gsmittle
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2004
        • 2793
        • St. Louis, MO, USA.
        • BT 3100

        #4
        Wow, C'man, nice rant! Honestly, I couldn't have said it better. As most of you know, I'm a high school teacher. As CabinetMan said, I'm expected to be an instructor, surrogate parent, conscience, parole officer, psychologist, guidance counselor, and anything else that comes up. I'm happy to do all this stuff besides teaching, but not EVERY day! All this other stuff should be the exception, not the rule.

        I can't tell you how many times a parent has told me it's my fault when their child fails--never mind that said kid was in class a total of 8 days all semester.

        Phew! I need to stop here, before I get really agitated.

        On the other hand, Socrates was railing about this very thing 3000 years ago...

        g.
        Smit

        "Be excellent to each other."
        Bill & Ted

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        • Rand
          Established Member
          • May 2005
          • 492
          • Vancouver, WA, USA.

          #5
          Reminds me of a line from the movie Parenthood.

          "You need a license to drive a car but any A-hole can be a father."

          There's no test or training for being a parent.
          I think a lot of the problem has to do with the way our society has changed.
          In days past everybody on your street knew who you were and who your parents were. It was pretty difficult to get away with something without your parents finding out. These days most people don't know who lives 2 doors down let alone all the kids in the neighborhood.
          Rand
          "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like your thumb."

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          • jspelbring
            Established Member
            • Nov 2004
            • 167
            • Belleville, IL, USA.
            • Craftsman 22114

            #6
            sub-rant

            I agree 100% with the rant. There's one other thing that bothers me though. Our society, and it's nanny-state legal system is often hindering effective parenting. This or that punishment is forbidden, because it's viewed as too violent, or worse, it might damage Precious Snowflake's self esteem. Bah!

            I'm not advocating child beating, but to be honest, sometimes a spanking, board-of-education, or whatever, is effective. Each child is different, but not all of them respond to just talking. I know, I was one of them . Short of cruelty, physical damage, or actual trauma, parents should have more ability to rear their children as they see fit.

            Just my $0.02.
            To do is to be.

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            • LCHIEN
              Super Moderator
              • Dec 2002
              • 21993
              • Katy, TX, USA.
              • BT3000 vintage 1999

              #7
              At the othe end of the extreme is this Baby Grace Deal down here near Galveston.
              Some mother and her new husband beat her 3 y.o. daughter to death to teach her some discipline. According to the mother the father insisted the girl say yes sir and yes maam and when she didn't he stayed home to help the mother discipline the child because he didn't think the mother would do it. So they both beat her with a belt, held her head under water in the bath and then flung her against the tile floor when she wouldn't cooperate. They put her dead body in a plastic footlocker in the garage for 2 months then tossed her into Galveston bay.

              His parents described the stepfather as a teddy bear. Some psychologist said he was overcompensating in trying to show what a good father he would be.

              I just don't get it.
              Loring in Katy, TX USA
              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
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              • ejs1097
                Established Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 486
                • Pittsburgh, PA, USA.

                #8
                although I agree, my kid started school this year and frankly, I just don't see it. That said my schoold district isn't exactly economically challenged. Plus alot of that makes the news because it's the exception rather then the rule.
                Eric
                Be Kind Online

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                • crokett
                  The Full Monte
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 10627
                  • Mebane, NC, USA.
                  • Ryobi BT3000

                  #9
                  We dismissed our previous sitter because her daughter was generally out of control and our daughter was picking up some bad habits - nothing too bad, just sometimes being disrespectful.
                  David

                  The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.

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                  • jking
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2003
                    • 972
                    • Des Moines, IA.
                    • BT3100

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ejs1097
                    although I agree, my kid started school this year and frankly, I just don't see it. That said my schoold district isn't exactly economically challenged. Plus alot of that makes the news because it's the exception rather then the rule.
                    Ummm, an "economically challenged" school district does not guarantee the types of problems mentioned. Same for the other way around. Bad parenting happens in all economic ranges.

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                    • Uncle Cracker
                      The Full Monte
                      • May 2007
                      • 7091
                      • Sunshine State
                      • BT3000

                      #11
                      Here, we just had an 8-year-old girl take a kitchen knife to school and threaten another girl with it... Who gets the blame? Teachers? Parents? TV? Video games?

                      I developed my moral compass while growing up, because I got my @ss lit up when I got out of line. And I did not become a crazy, good-for-nothing, misfit bane of society, like the "professionals" of today would have you expect. Obviously, beating children is not an acceptable behavior, but a little less psychology and a little more (controlled) woodshed probably is not a bad thing. Whatever they're doing now ain't gettin it, that's for sure.

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                      • Knottscott
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 3815
                        • Rochester, NY.
                        • 2008 Shop Fox W1677

                        #12
                        Sounds like you had two real parents, and a supportive community....be it teachers, grandparents, neighbors, friends, etc. It didn't matter where I went, if I got out of line, it caught up with me. Note that my comment puts the parents in the "primary" lead role in raising the kids, and the others in a "supporting" role....it's not the teacher's primary job to teach children basic courtesies and the do's and don'ts of life, it's the parent's role, though teachers and the supporting community certainly are influencing factors to some degree.

                        There are alot of parents who don't aim for "Parent of the Year" awards, and/or who are kids themselves, who were brought up by parents who didn't aim for "Parent of the Year" awards, and/or who were kids themselves. It's not just a matter of parenting skills either...it's lifestyle, and it has less to do with being low income than it does with being low-life. Some people are just scum...I just wish they'd stop breeding.
                        Last edited by Knottscott; 12-11-2007, 02:45 PM.
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                        • Pappy
                          The Full Monte
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 10481
                          • San Marcos, TX, USA.
                          • BT3000 (x2)

                          #13
                          Not an easy job, parenting. Despite doing what we thought was best, my eldest did time on drug charges. For years he blamed us, schools, everyone but himself. Since cleaning up his act and joining the human race he now says everything he did, although influenced by a meth addiction, was the result of decisions he did or did not make.

                          Sometimes a parent can't control the outcome of a childs upbringing, but they are responsible to teach morals by the best method they can find.
                          Don, aka Pappy,

                          Wise men talk because they have something to say,
                          Fools because they have to say something.
                          Plato

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                          • Ed62
                            The Full Monte
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 6021
                            • NW Indiana
                            • BT3K

                            #14
                            I think C-man has some good points, but I also agree with Pappy. The best parents can't guarantee their kids will become assets to the community. The teacher's job is to educate, not raise the kids. There's no doubt that good parents and good teachers have a very broad positive effect on kids, but life offers no guarantees.

                            Parents certainly should accept the responsibility of raising their kids in the right way, and not try to put the blame on someone else when it doesn't work out well. I think that's the first sign that they didn't do much of a job raising their kids.

                            Ed
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                            • chopnhack
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3779
                              • Florida
                              • Ryobi BT3100

                              #15
                              Dead on C-man, good rant!
                              I think in straight lines, but dream in curves

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