How to play Deal or No Deal

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  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 21990
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #1

    How to play Deal or No Deal

    The Monty Hall question made me think of this:

    In the popular program deal or no deal, there are twenty or so boxes, each has a number inside ranging up to the top prize.
    The values are usually usually roughly exponentially distributed
    so there'll be like 1,2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100... 100,000, 200,000, 500,000, 1,000,000 among them.

    The play goes like this - you choose your box and set it aside, one of 20 to start with. The value inside is what you'll get at the end if you make no deal.

    Then you eliminate boxes, point them out and they show you the value inside and tick them off the wall chart of values, showing only the values left (one of which is in your box).

    Every few choices, the "banker" has the host make a buyout offer.
    As long as you have a few 1, 2, 5 10 ... 100 values you stand the chance of being stiffed. But if there's 250,000, 500,000 or 1,000,000 left on the board you stand a chnce of really making out. The banker offers a value between the
    bottom number and the top number left. The whole drama of the show is the contestant picking numbers and hoping to find only small values leaving the chance for a big value in is box. And, the banker making offers that get bigger or smaller as there are more or fewer big numbers left.

    The contestant tries to decide whether the offer is good, or whether their luck will be good. At some point they may get offered $80,000 buyout, they turn it down, and on the next few picks they turn up the boxes containing 200,000 and 500,000 and suddenly the offer drops to $40,000

    Few people make it to get what is in their box. When faced with 3 or four boxes, two with 100 and 500 and one with 5000, and one with 100,000, they usually "make a deal" and take an offer of, say $24,000.

    There's a simple way of statistically valuing the offer. The statistical value of the players worth is the odds of winning each value times the value.
    So of there are five numbers left, say 100, 500, 10,000 & 200,000, the statistical value is 1/5 of 100 + 1/5 of 200, etc. or 1/5 of the sum.
    Therefore 1/5 of 210,600 or around 42,120.

    You could just add the top values (say the ones in the right hand column, they show two colums on the TV, usually the right hand column has values of 10,000 or more) and divide by the total number of boxes remaining.

    The banker's offers vary widely from what I've calculated to be a fair statistical value, but the players never seem to be able to figure out if they're offered a good deal or not.
    Last edited by LCHIEN; 05-18-2007, 09:05 AM.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
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  • Tequila
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 684
    • King of Prussia, PA, USA.

    #2
    Your theory is a little off. It would work if the game stopped with the offer you gave, but it continues until an offer is accepted or until there's only two cases left. So the offer isn't just based on the statistical value on the board, but also the odds that they'll end up with a higher valued case after subsequent rounds. So the "fair" value is actually much lower than you've calculated.

    What makes it really interesting is that the risk/reward ratio is different for everybody. If you've got 100, 500, 10,000 & 200,000 remaining and you're offered $20k, are you willing to give up $10k for a one in 5 chance at an extra $180k?

    Definitely makes for some good TV.
    -Joe

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    • os1kne
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2003
      • 901
      • Atlanta, GA
      • BT3100

      #3
      It is definitely good television. It's amazing how captivating the show is compared to the simplicity of the concept. Greed is an amazing thing to watch.

      I don't know what the average payout is, but I'd guess that it's only around $20k (about equal to the typical first offer).
      Bill

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      • LCHIEN
        Super Moderator
        • Dec 2002
        • 21990
        • Katy, TX, USA.
        • BT3000 vintage 1999

        #4
        I just love the silhouetted (no face) bad guy banker in the dark booth above with the cell phone.
        Loring in Katy, TX USA
        If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
        BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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        • vaking
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2005
          • 1428
          • Montclair, NJ, USA.
          • Ryobi BT3100-1

          #5
          Loring gave a fair description of the game and underlying math. I can add few details:
          In my estimate at the beginning of the game there is about $3M in play ($1M + $750K +$500K .....). The game also starts with 26 cases. That means that win expectancy is slightly over $100K. Banker's offers start off significantly lower than mathematically fair value. It is logical - after all this is a show. make a fair offer at the beginning of the game and it will be over in no time. Banker wants the game to last. As the number of cases left goes down - banker's offers begin to approach the calculated value.
          The game requires no skills from players but it is a very good educational material to study human psychology. All kinds of physho-professionals are raving about this game. Different people have different appetite for risk and handle themselves differently under pressure: this game shows it very clearly. Additional comment is that casting director selects players whom he estimates would be entertaining to the public. This is also important ingredient - every player is a "character". I attribute large part of the show's success to the skill of a casting director.
          Alex V

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