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  • germdoc
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2003
    • 3567
    • Omaha, NE
    • BT3000--the gray ghost

    #1

    One way to get an airline upgrade

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17683917/?GT1=9145
    Jeff


    “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire
  • JR
    The Full Monte
    • Feb 2004
    • 5636
    • Eugene, OR
    • BT3000

    #2
    Unacceptable! This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking to avoid by flying first class.

    JR
    JR

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    • LCHIEN
      Super Moderator
      • Dec 2002
      • 21993
      • Katy, TX, USA.
      • BT3000 vintage 1999

      #3
      if someone has a medical emergency - I think dying would qualify - they wouldn't put in at the nearest airport to see if anything could be done, rather than flyaing another 8 hours to the original destination? With a corpse in the passenger cabins? What do they do, take a poll of the passengers on board? Shall we land or keep going?
      Loring in Katy, TX USA
      If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
      BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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      • pierhogunn
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2003
        • 1567
        • Harrisburg, NC, USA.

        #4
        I'll take Blue Ice hitting my house any day over that alternative
        It's Like I've always said, it's amazing what an agnostic can't do if he dosent know whether he believes in anything or not

        Monty Python's Flying Circus

        Dan in Harrisburg, NC

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        • Russianwolf
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2004
          • 3152
          • Martinsburg, WV, USA.
          • One of them there Toy saws

          #5
          Originally posted by JR
          Unacceptable! This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking to avoid by flying first class.

          JR
          Be quiet and drink your champagne.



          Mike
          Lakota's Dad

          If at first you don't succeed, deny you were trying in the first place.

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          • Kristofor
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2004
            • 1331
            • Twin Cities, MN
            • Jet JTAS10 Cabinet Saw

            #6
            Originally posted by JR
            Unacceptable! This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'm looking to avoid by flying first class.

            JR
            No doubt!

            I only flew first class for the first time 3 years ago, but now I'm no fan of sitting in the cheap seats for flights over a couple hours. The general lack of crying babies up front is just an added bonus!

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            • Richard in Smithville
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2006
              • 3014
              • On the TARDIS
              • BT 3100

              #7
              Funny, no one has thought to mention how the poor daughter must have been feeling at this time. Although it's not a plesant thought to wake up next to a deceased person, and perhaps the airline might have done a little more to keep the other passengers at ease, it seems that they did whet they thought was best to comfort the daughter. There was also no mention of just where the plane was in the air( over land, water, etc) or if any other airport would allow them to land with a corpse on board.

              Just my two cents.
              From the "deep south" part of Canada

              Richard in Smithville

              http://richardspensandthings.blogspot.com/

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              • jackellis
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2003
                • 2638
                • Tahoe City, CA, USA.
                • BT3100

                #8
                if someone has a medical emergency - I think dying would qualify - they wouldn't put in at the nearest airport to see if anything could be done, rather than flyaing another 8 hours to the original destination? With a corpse in the passenger cabins? What do they do, take a poll of the passengers on board? Shall we land or keep going?
                I've been on at least two flights with medical emergencies and my wife was on one not too long ago. If someone's life is at risk, the pilots declare an emergency and get on the ground as fast as they can. If the problem can be managed and it's not a matter of life and death, they continue.

                However, in the EU, airlines are now subject to significant penalties for delays and they have to compensate passengers. I'm pretty certain continuing on was purely an economic issue - the passenger was dead so there was nothing to be gained and a lot of money to lose by diverting.

                BA has a great safety record but sometimes they're a bit tone deaf when it comes to passenger relations. Not too long ago they had a 747 continue flying from LAX to Heathrow after an engine failed on takeoff. British aviation regulations allowed the pilots to continue on three engines but it was not a real smart idea.

                In this case, if I'd been the pilot, I would have landed at the nearest suitable airport and gotten the daughter and the corpse off the airplane.

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                • cabinetman
                  Gone but not Forgotten RIP
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 15216
                  • So. Florida
                  • Delta

                  #9
                  I wonder if it was before, during or after the dinner meal. But the real question: Is a dead person still a passenger or qualify as luggage?

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                  • LCHIEN
                    Super Moderator
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 21993
                    • Katy, TX, USA.
                    • BT3000 vintage 1999

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cabinetman
                    I wonder if it was before, during or after the dinner meal. But the real question: Is a dead person still a passenger or qualify as luggage?

                    I think your status when you board the airplane determines that.
                    and there's probably a lot of paperwork if you land with fewer passengers or more baggage than when you left. So for convenience sake a dead passenger is still a passenger if they boarded live.

                    THIS is the REAL question:
                    What do you tell immigration and customs?
                    Is there a limit, like liquor, on how many dead bodies you can bring in the country? What if they ask about raw meats and vegeatables?
                    Loring in Katy, TX USA
                    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                    BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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                    • germdoc
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 3567
                      • Omaha, NE
                      • BT3000--the gray ghost

                      #11
                      I'm just wondering if the flight attendants brought everyone in first class a stiff drink to calm them down.

                      Or if they made the following announcement, "Passengers, we have a problem. Is there a mortician on board?"
                      Last edited by germdoc; 03-20-2007, 07:22 AM.
                      Jeff


                      “Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less, in human beings of whom they know nothing”--Voltaire

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                      • Alex Franke
                        Veteran Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 2641
                        • Chapel Hill, NC
                        • Ryobi BT3100

                        #12
                        Sometimes first class seats have little privacy curtains that could help hide the body. Maybe they were thinking it would horrify fewer people than in the back. I really think they should have just landed, though. I think I'd be pretty disgusted if I discovered I'd been sleeping next to a corpse in first class... I think the airline is pretty much screwed either way.

                        "a stiff drink" -- (groan...)
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                        • scorrpio
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 1566
                          • Wayne, NJ, USA.

                          #13
                          I believe flight attendants receive at least some medical training, so they are probably qualified to pronounce a person dead. Not sure when the death was discovered (the woman might have gone quietly), and if the plane was already far from airport, going back probably would make no sense.

                          I personally would think daughter would be the one to ask, and it was likely her decision to continue to London. If no relative on board, I'd say best action is to take body to deseased' country of residence.

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                          • ejs1097
                            Established Member
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 486
                            • Pittsburgh, PA, USA.

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scorrpio
                            I believe flight attendants receive at least some medical training, so they are probably qualified to pronounce a person dead. Not sure when the death was discovered (the woman might have gone quietly), and if the plane was already far from airport, going back probably would make no sense.

                            I personally would think daughter would be the one to ask, and it was likely her decision to continue to London. If no relative on board, I'd say best action is to take body to deseased' country of residence.

                            right, the article doesn't mention why they continued on and if the daughter asked to continue the flight. Perhaps by the time they realized she was dead they could have crossed borders and were in flight a while. This is typical liberial media not including such details to skew a story against business. OTOH, BA said the workers did what they felt was appropiate, perhaps they didn't ask the daughter.
                            Eric
                            Be Kind Online

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                            • LCHIEN
                              Super Moderator
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 21993
                              • Katy, TX, USA.
                              • BT3000 vintage 1999

                              #15
                              From today's news:
                              British Airways said in a statement that about 10 passengers die each year in flight and that while each situation is unique, safety is paramount.
                              "The deceased must not be placed in the galley or blocking aisles or exits, and there should be clear space around the deceased," the statement said. "The wishes of family or friends traveling with the deceased will always be considered, and account taken of the reactions of other passengers."

                              Perhaps they should have put her in a lavatory and shut the door, put a out of order sign on it.

                              OTOH, then that might have led to this:
                              http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/4638798.html
                              Loring in Katy, TX USA
                              If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
                              BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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