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  • Ed62
    The Full Monte
    • Oct 2006
    • 6021
    • NW Indiana
    • BT3K

    #1

    Is this dangerous?

    I was going to take my blade off the BT3K, and when I took off the throat plate, I noticed it had been hit by the previous blade used. The funny thing is that I never knew it had been hit, and I didn't notice the throat plate when I changed to the blade now on the saw! How could that possibly happen? Blade was tight, throat plate was screwed on, and there was no reason to think anything was wrong!! Anyhow, my question is this....I have a small piece of carbide chipped off one tooth (see image). I expect this blade should be scrapped, but I wanted to get input from you before I scrap it/use it.

    I know there is a better forum for this, but there are more users on this one, and I'd like to get back to ww.

    Ed
    Last edited by Ed62; 12-18-2008, 07:29 PM.
    Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

    For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/
  • LCHIEN
    Super Moderator
    • Dec 2002
    • 21992
    • Katy, TX, USA.
    • BT3000 vintage 1999

    #2
    Originally posted by Ed62
    I was going to take my blade off the BT3K, and when I took off the throat plate, I noticed it had been hit by the previous blade used. The funny thing is that I never knew it had been hit, and I didn't notice the throat plate when I changed to the blade now on the saw! How could that possibly happen? Blade was tight, throat plate was screwed on, and there was no reason to think anything was wrong!! Anyhow, my question is this....I have a small piece of carbide chipped off one tooth (see image). I expect this blade should be scrapped, but I wanted to get input from you before I scrap it/use it.

    I know there is a better forum for this, but there are more users on this one, and I'd like to get back to ww.

    Ed
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    what's all this double posting???

    Anyway I'm not really sure what you are saying hit what.
    The old blade hit the (original) steel throat plate? Or is it just speculation?
    Your pic is too small to identify anything. A tooth can be chipped fairly easily because they are carbide and while carbide is extremely hard, it is also very brittle. Moving it around you could easily chip a tooth while installing it.

    One chipped tooth is not a reason to pitch a blade. The blade will work quite well I think in that mode. The more teeth, the easier it is to "give up" one tooth. You will probably not be able to tell the difference in one cut from before or after. Also, most sharpening services advise they can replace a broken carbide tooth for a few dollars (~$3-4 IIRC) (at the time you next sharpen the blade).

    Think of it this way. Each rotation each tooth peels off a tiny sliver of material, probably a few mils thick. If a tooth is entirely missing, then the tooth behind it will do double duty slicing off a piece twice as big as the others. Normally the teeth are operated well below their strength so a double load is not going to hurt a tooth.
    If a tooth is merely chipped on one corner, then it may slice off half of what it does and the next tooth will only have to pick up a small bit of extra.
    Youre still getting 97% as many cuts per second as you were before so its not going to affect the smoothness of the cut noticeably.
    Last edited by LCHIEN; 01-17-2007, 01:49 PM.
    Loring in Katy, TX USA
    If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
    BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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    • LarryG
      The Full Monte
      • May 2004
      • 6693
      • Off The Back
      • Powermatic PM2000, BT3100-1

      #3
      Originally posted by Ed62
      I know there is a better forum for this, but there are more users on this one, and I'd like to get back to ww.
      If you mean other sections on BT3Central -- Tool Talk, Getting Started, etc -- vs. Around The Coffee Pot, I think most BT3ers read or at least scan pretty much everything. It's true that Coffee Pot may have more viewers at any given time but that's partly because there are more threads in here, and doesn't mean a Q will get missed if it's posted elsewhere. FYI, FWIW, etc.
      Last edited by LarryG; 01-17-2007, 01:15 PM.
      Larry

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      • Ed62
        The Full Monte
        • Oct 2006
        • 6021
        • NW Indiana
        • BT3K

        #4
        Thanks for the reply, Loring. I hit the "Submit reply" button before I had the image attached. When I realized what I did, it was too late. Then I couldn't delete the original post.

        I now have a plywood blade on, which I decided to change. When I took off the throat plate, I noticed it had been hit by a blade. Knowing it wasn't the plywood blade, by the shape of the (minimal) damage, I looked at the blade I was using before the plywood blade. There I found a small chip on a tooth. I was concerned that the integrity of the brazing might be compromised, and I didn't want to use it before I ran it past you guys. Thanks again.

        Ed
        Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

        For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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        • Ed62
          The Full Monte
          • Oct 2006
          • 6021
          • NW Indiana
          • BT3K

          #5
          Yeah, that's what I meant, Larry. Thanks.

          Ed
          Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

          For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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          • LCHIEN
            Super Moderator
            • Dec 2002
            • 21992
            • Katy, TX, USA.
            • BT3000 vintage 1999

            #6
            Originally posted by LarryG
            If you mean other sections on BT3Central -- Tool Talk, Getting Started, etc -- vs. Around The Coffee Pot, I think most BT3ers read or at least scan pretty much everything. It's true that Coffee Pot may have more viewers at any given time but that's partly because there are more threads in here, and doesn't mean a Q will get missed if it's posted elsewhere. FYI, FWIW, etc.

            I look at "new posts" all the time so regardless of where its posted, I get to see it. Its for archival purposes that placing it in the right category will make it easier to find. Around the coffee pot would be the last place I'd look for an thread on chipped sawblade teeth.
            Loring in Katy, TX USA
            If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails.
            BT3 FAQ - https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions

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            • Ed62
              The Full Monte
              • Oct 2006
              • 6021
              • NW Indiana
              • BT3K

              #7
              OK..Gotcha. Next time it will be in the proper place.

              Ed
              Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

              For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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              • Black wallnut
                cycling to health
                • Jan 2003
                • 4715
                • Ellensburg, Wa, USA.
                • BT3k 1999

                #8
                Ed you also can edit your posts to include more or updated information.
                For caution's sake you could install the chipped blade, lower it all the way, secure a board covering the TP, then slowly raise the blade into the wood. Turn off saw and inspect.
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                • Ed62
                  The Full Monte
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 6021
                  • NW Indiana
                  • BT3K

                  #9
                  I know you can edit your post, but for some reason, I didn't even think of adding the image by editing.

                  Excellent idea with running the blade into the board, Mark. Thanks for the heads up.

                  Ed
                  Do you know about kickback? Ray has a good writeup here... https://www.sawdustzone.org/articles...mare-explained

                  For a kickback demonstration video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/910584...demonstration/

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