Not sure how many poker fans we ahve out there, but it is almost time for the World Series of Poker. For those of you who follow it, do you think a known name will win it this year, or will it it be an "unknown" from the online world?
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George AKA Rounder
"Amarillo Slim, the greatist proposition gambler of all time held to his father's maxim; You can shear a sheep many times, but you can skin him only once." -
Are you thinking about trying it this time around? You wanted to do it a while back if I remember right.
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Most likely an unknown. 7500 entrants, with at least 5,000 qualifying online is my estimates. I discount the dead money at approximately 50% now, so 3,750 real players entering. I would say there are 100 recognizable pros out there. I would give them extra weighting for experience and skill, offset by pure luck (think Moneymaker, Steve D.). I'd say pro winning is about 1 in 30. Don't get me wrong I would love to see a established pro take it down, heck maybe even Mike. LOL! I did feel bad for him last year making the final table in good shape and taking that brutal beat.
I won an entry in April to the main event through Prima Network. At that time they offered cash instead of the package which was valued at $16,500. It included $10,000 entry and 1 week of their choice, round trip airfare for 1 and $500 expense money. $16,500 was a much, much better deal for me. My wife plays Video Poker when we go to AC or Vegas resulting in all the free rooms we want at LV Hilton or any of the many Harrahs owned properties in LV. Airfare from BWI or PHL is usually <$250, making the package worth $10,750 to me. Of course now that I have the cash there is no way I am laying it out for a $10,000 seat. The skill set is better than what I was playing this weekend, but I was in a ultra loose passive game at Borgata this weekend. Pocket Queens under the gun and I raise it to $100 ($5/$10 blind NL) to try to drive all the limpers out. In a tighter game I would have limped but in this one I would have had 5 callers behind me. Anyway guy to my immediate left says "this is my friends fav hand so I'm going to raise" and makes it $200 to go. Every one folds to me. The guy has been ultra loose but very aggressive, playing very marginal hands. I put him on QJ or some Ace rag, maybe A9. I re-raised to $500 and he called. Flop comes out rainbow 8, Q, 4 making me a set of Queens. I bet $400 into $1000 pot trying to induce action. He calls. Turn is Ace and I figured this is my money card. I check, he bets out $800 into $1800 pot. I go into a fake tank for about 2 minutes thinking about it, of course actually I was figuring out how to hide this money from my wife! LOL! I call and the river comes 9. There is no 3 to flush on the board. I know he doesn't have a set of Aces as he would have re-raised me pre-flop. I figured the 9 gave him two pair, aces and nines. I pushed the rest of my stack in for $1,635. I had him covered. He insta-calls and says "straight" flipping over 10,J. I flip up my set, the whole table groans and I proceed to cursing pretty bad for the first time in my poker career. The floor came over and suggested I take a 30 minute break. I gathered the few hundred I had left and went to play some boring video poker with my wife. After all, those machines take my money slowly and don't suck out on me!
The moral to this whole story is that my money is pretty dead in WSOP field of 7,500 where a few thousand players are better than me and the other half are a bunch of donkey luck boxes! LOL! I think I may play some of the WPT events at Borgata and Niagra this year. There tends to be no pros in the smaller events, just a few pros in the $10,000 event and quite a few New Yorkers who would feel just as good about loosing $10,000 in a poker tournament as they would loosing $10,000 in blackjack.Comment
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Jeff,
I have no idea what you just said, other than you lost a bet.David
The chief cause of failure in this life is giving up what you want most for what you want at the moment.Comment
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Laymans terms : I had a huge hand and an idiot that should have never been involved in the hand took well over $3,000 off of me. The point to my big sob story is that there are too many decisions to get busted in the main event that are based upon others bad play, just getting unlucky or a bad beat when I consider my skill level to be in the average of the playing field. If I felt I was one of the top 1,500 players in the WSOP main event I would go for it.Originally posted by crokettComment
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all I can say is they are all lucky I'm not competing.
They might strain their backs carting off my money.Mike
Lakota's Dad
If at first you don't succeed, deny you were trying in the first place.Comment
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Sounds like fake poker to me. If it ain't 5 card draw of 7 card stud, it ain't poker. I betcha some yankee invented Texas Hold-em
Jim in Texas and Sicko Ryobi Cult Member ©Comment
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Jim,
If you like stud you've got to try holdem. Like most poker, it's only good if you play for meaningful stakes. If you don't, nobody ever drops out, so you might as well deal the cards out face up. The beauty of tournament play is that, no matter what the stakes, every hand is important.
Yankees never call anything good "Texas."
Jeff is describing the ultimate in bad beats. A bad beat is when you have done everything right and the last matching board you have to cut, is hillside wood that forms two opposite bows when you rip it.
SteveI would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong. Bertrand RussellComment
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That's great!Originally posted by scmhogg
And if you like Stud, Atlantic City is full of it! You won't see it spread very much in a lot of the other gaming venues, but the folks in AC love them some 7 card stud (hi only). You can always pick out the stud tables as they are incrediably diversified in age, race and gender. Also, they only have 8 seats
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Actually I like holdem over any other games now. Playing online is annoying though, surely if its not for real money, all the dorks go all in before the flop.Comment
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My best game is no limit holdem then pot limit Omaha 8 or better. My stud game is horriable and my limit hold'em is merely ok.Originally posted by Hellrazor
Playing online is great but you are right playing for "play money" or nickel and dime stuff will result in little more than frustration. It is certainly a bad way to learn, except that you can use it a little to practice patience and folding.Comment
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The only tornament I won worth mentioning was a 7 stud Hi-Lo event (first was $5000.) I grew up playing stud and in college (circa late 70's), I learned hold-em. I only play tournament no limit right now. When in Vegas I will play in some small buy-in no limit ring games (100 - 500 buy in.)
I am currently playing in a poker league every Tuesday night. Thye hold four mini tournamnets a night. Winner gets a seat in a quarterly main event. Winner of that geta an entry into a WPT event of his choice. Each additional mini you win gives you additional chips in the main event. I have 5 wins so far with only two more weeks till the cut off. The best part is it is totally free. The local bars sponser the league.
I won't even go into my bad beat story that happened in Reno at a Pot of Gold event. It got worse as there was no bad beat jackpot at that casino.
I am still hoping to win a seat at this year's series. Oh, and Jeff? J-10 suited is my favorite rag starting hand.George AKA Rounder
"Amarillo Slim, the greatist proposition gambler of all time held to his father's maxim; You can shear a sheep many times, but you can skin him only once."Comment
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Oh, and Rounder? You would call a raiser that was under the gun and raised 10 x BB when you are acting to his immediate left? Plus it wasn't suited. LOL!Originally posted by Rounder
J 10 was my fav hand for quite a while. I have really been feeling the power of KQ lately though.
I threw a terriable beat last night on Party Poker, $400 NL table. I have laid down Kings pre-flop only a few times (all tournament situations) and just couldn't get away from them even though I was 60% confident the villian had Aces. He did and I flopped a set. We were all in pre-flop, but I felt the pain for that dude! I hate TV poker but I do watch High Stakes on GSN. Farrah threw the exact same beat on Greenstein, last hand of the game for a $300,000 + pot. Greenstein, being the filthy rich player he is, didn't blink and eye and took it like a real pro. Could you imagine Phil or Mike taking that?!?!?
BTW, 1st Season of High Stakes is a classic. 1st episode this year was a little weak in the poker area but The Mouth keeps it interesting. Much weaker players on the first episode. Tournament players don't grasp the value of 51/49 in a cash game. You can always re-buy.
Rounder, what level of tournaments do they allow in FL? I know they can spread 2/4 limit in casinos down there but can they have tournaments? I thought I read about one in Cardplayer this weekend while I was waiting for a seat.Comment
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10x the BB UTG? No, I would muck the hand. But then, I won't go more than 3-4x the BB with a good starting hand. QQ and JJ are tough to play, I seem to give them way too much value.
Florida allows 1/2 spread or straight 2 on ring games. The Seminoles hold NL tournaments where first will be 25k sometimes more. However, the law is in question and the other poker rooms shut down their tournaments. The favorite tornaments in the Seminole Hard Rock Casinos are the sit n go's. They will have a $115, $250, $500 single table. Third gets you your money back. The house makes a killing, but it is the only game in town.George AKA Rounder
"Amarillo Slim, the greatist proposition gambler of all time held to his father's maxim; You can shear a sheep many times, but you can skin him only once."Comment
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I raised 10xBB UTG to try to push all that crap out. This donk feast had mega-limpers so a normal 3-5 X value bet was out of the question or I would have had 5 callers behind me. I have the same problem with jacks as you do with Jacks or Queens. I do ok with Queens. There is just an accelerated depreciation schedule there and by the time you hit jacks its a problem. With Jacks in that position I probably would have made a mega-retarded huge bet maybe $200 and if I got re-raised I'd drop it.Originally posted by Rounder
WOW! Talking about the excitement of watching paint dry! Seems like they could at least allow a 5/10 limit game. I guess since they don't have real craps, they would just call it hold'em. LOL.
If the juice is $15 on the $115 it isn't as bad as some of the AC SNG's. Party's $100 is $9. Of course live play would require tipping the dealer if you take it down. I made the mistake of playing the SNG's at Alladin in Vegas. They took vig up front AND on the back end. I won a $100 buy in and was looking for $500. (2nd was $300 and 3rd was $200 minus their stupid aministration fee). So buy in was $115 with $15 going to vig and they held about another 15% on the back end! They have fixed that now but the vig is still 17%.
Have you read Harrington on Holdem?Comment
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