rethinking the cuts? the ez-one bench.

[YCF Dino]

Hi guys.
Your feedback ( away from our own forum)
is always welcomed as well as your thoughts and the "bad" stuff...

enjoy the video.
the ez-one is the result of many years
and ez-users ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNEZoeo7GTk

[YCF Dino]

Is that bad?

[cabinetman]

Is that bad?

Bad? I don't know, but all your posts are hawking your tool. Isn't that called spamming?

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[YCF Dino]

sharing ideas and looking for feedback is not spamming.
We dont give free tools for posts and reviews.
I'm a member in this forum for many years and I only post few times with something new
without following up using other posters or provide free tools for fake reviews.

But if you see it as spamming...I understand.
we get spammed 1M times every day.
we need to make a stand and this is a good start.

even if the stand is against another woodworker who is trying to make our hobby and trade safer and affordable to all...let it be.

I thought we can talk about new ideas and learn something new.
my mistake to post a possible solution?

[thrytis]

Is that bad?

I've got a very short attention span for forum posted videos. I better see something in the first 30 seconds that tells me i'm going to get something out of the video. In the first 30 seconds you showed only a little bit of the bench and didn't talk about the bench. I skipped a little through the video and still didn't get a good view of the bench or why i should care about it. That tab got closed pretty fast.

[YCF Dino]

I've got a very short attention span for forum posted videos. I better see something in the first 30 seconds that tells me i'm going to get something out of the video. In the first 30 seconds you showed only a little bit of the bench and didn't talk about the bench. I skipped a little through the video and still didn't get a good view of the bench or why i should care about it. That tab got closed pretty fast.

thanks. this is very valuable.

something like that?
for a design awards entry. quick video.
the rules is to keep the video under 2:30 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvNkLLToTRY

[thrytis]

That second video is much better. The bench looks interesting and quick and accurate, though having a table saw i don't know if i would use it. It looks like it would be handy for someone doing a lot of on site work. A couple ideas would be to adapt it to using saw horses or sitting on the ground or table (less single purpose hardware, cheaper, smaller to transport, and would come across more as a portable tool than a shop fixture), and a different sized ones (especially a smaller "quick portable" bench).

On the spam topic, i think there is a fine line there somewhere. I think most people appreciate vendor interaction, but without a feel like it is just advertising. Participating in other discussions especially where a vendor has expertise is appreciated (but not in a way to push products) and goes a long ways. I personally don't think asking for product feedback is bad, but you may need to work on being extra sensitive when you ask so you don't come across the wrong way.

[YCF Dino]

That second video is much better. The bench looks interesting and quick and accurate, though having a table saw i don't know if i would use it. It looks like it would be handy for someone doing a lot of on site work. A couple ideas would be to adapt it to using saw horses or sitting on the ground or table (less single purpose hardware, cheaper, smaller to transport, and would come across more as a portable tool than a shop fixture), and a different sized ones (especially a smaller "quick portable" bench).

On the spam topic, i think there is a fine line there somewhere. I think most people appreciate vendor interaction, but without a feel like it is just advertising. Participating in other discussions especially where a vendor has expertise is appreciated (but not in a way to push products) and goes a long ways. I personally don't think asking for product feedback is bad, but you may need to work on being extra sensitive when you ask so you don't come across the wrong way.

The smaller version is a good idea. In many cases is going to be very usefull.
Were trying to come up with a unique setup for cross cutting and crown moldings.
We may have something by next week.
Thanks for the advice. A small and affordable bridge/bench is in.

About the spamming and the fine ropes...
One look in my membership and you can see my respect for this forum.
Look at my posts.
If I cant find the right worlds this is the results of learning how to talk straight before
learning ( limited) English at home depot and the construction sites.

My post is what it is. A request for feedback and ideas.
Positive and negative about the tool and how to make it better.
Your idea was good and is going to speed up the making of a small bench.
I think the results of posting here are always rewarding to me and later to others.
thanks.

[radhak]

I find videos painful, I prefer articles (primarily because Youtube is blocked on my work computer where I spend most of my time online).

I googled and found your site and the photo-slide-show is pretty informative.

I think this bench could be tremendously useful, particularly because it allows using different types of saws/routers.

But I have this question again (that I had voiced long ago in another of your posts) - it is difficult to see who could be the target consumer for this. The weekend woodworker (amateur) would be daunted by the high price point. People like me would only spend small amounts at a time, and even if it would add up to a larger figure, upfront lumpsum payment is not something I'd be able to do. So this would be another in the 'Festool' category : highly desirable, but out of reach.

I hope that does not discourage anybody seriously considering this bench - it is a very well thought and designed product, worth any woodworker's attention.

[YCF Dino]

thanks, good to know about the videos at work vs photo gallery.
I will post a new line of photos, more project oriented.

looks like we need a more affordable powerbench and even if we offer all parts to make one the price is out of reach for many people= no ggod.

for info, benches are sold to commercial shops and industrial plans.
from pallet recycle plans to dept of defence to prototype shop of Microsooft
and few tech schools..

Contractors build a diy using the bridge and a track. easier to transport.
here are few examples of custom build diy benches.

http://eurekazone.com/product-catalog/diy-power-bench
But most customers are DIY's woodworkers that build their shop around the ez-one.

As long as the concept is excepted ( DWC) (dead wood concept )
and we can show that safety comes first and everything else is easy to do...
like accuracy, speed, versatility and ease, I think with higher production and less aluminum
the prices can be much better.

I started a new thread about the ez-two bench and if you like you can post your thoughts
here: http://www.tracksawforum.com/showthr...4398#post14398

In many cases the ez-one is out of reach and not the right tool system for many people.
this is the reason of "talking" and re-thinking the cut.

thanks guys.

[radhak]

thanks, good to know about the videos at work vs photo gallery.
I will post a new line of photos, more project oriented.

I'd love that! Keep us posted.

for info, benches are sold to commercial shops and industrial plans.
from pallet recycle plans to dept of defence to prototype shop of Microsooft
and few tech schools..

Contractors build a diy using the bridge and a track. easier to transport.
here are few examples of custom build diy benches.

http://eurekazone.com/product-catalog/diy-power-bench
But most customers are DIY's woodworkers that build their shop around the ez-one.

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And that's how I'd have guessed it - schools, and many a commercial shop should find this useful.

That is a good link - I'd missed that before; shows the many uses of the bench. Nice!

[Black wallnut]

Bad? I don't know, but all your posts are hawking your tool. Isn't that called spamming?

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Mike which part of no personal attacks do you not understand. In case you have not noticed YFC Dino has been a member of this forum longer than you. His posts have never even come close to blurring the rules. His posts simply are not Spam and do contain or seek to share woodworking knowledge. Quite unlike the vast majority of your first 500 posts that contained just a link to a non woodworking story or video. You seem to think that the rules do not apply to you. Perhaps it is time for you to find a different forum to participate in. I would be more than happy to refund your $25. As a member you really only have a few options if you find a post offensive, in poor taste, spam like, or confrontational; those are:

• Report post via the built in software
• Report post via PM or Email to a staff member
• Ignore user via the forum software
• Take your grievance private
• Choose not to read any further
• Do nothing

[radhak]

Quite unlike the vast majority of your first 500 posts that contained just a link to a non woodworking story or video. You seem to think that the rules do not apply to you. Perhaps it is time for you to find a different forum to participate in. I would be more than happy to refund your $25.

Mark, I feel you are a bit too harsh yourself. I did not think Dino was spamming, but CabMan just asked a question that Dino answered pretty well. While the 'personal attack' judgement is up to you as the administrator (I thought it was more of CabMan assuming moderator responsibilities that he could simply be asked to step back from, in a PM), your follow-up became personal : dragging in years-old reference, pointing to the door, and offering a refund, are not something I've seen in this forum, particularly by an admin.

The DNA of this forum has always been that if one doesn't like what others are posting (too much youtube! or too many jokes), we ignore it and read the rest. I hope that continues.

[Black wallnut]

Thanks for the feedback radhak! Perhaps I owe the forum an apology for addressing this in public. I agonized over this for a couple of days prior to posting my reply yesterday. Sorry for the interruption. That said this is a path we've been down before, to me the line is clear.

[radhak]

Thanks for the feedback radhak! Perhaps I owe the forum an apology for addressing this in public. I agonized over this for a couple of days prior to posting my reply yesterday. Sorry for the interruption. That said this is a path we've been down before, to me the line is clear.

Thanks Mark.

I'll talk with you over PM.