thanks...

[YCF Dino]

...for your feedback.

Hi guys.
I like to get some feedback from this forum.
I never posted here trying to pimp my tools or paid others to post links.
We get all the feedback from our own forum but I like to get more feedback
from a mutual forum.

The video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGb99e5IYro

The pictures:
http://tracksawforum.com/showthread.php?t=560

Thanks.

ycf dino
eurekazone

[chopnhack]

Yiasou leventi!

I think the products is amazing and straight forward. I somehow just can't get past how it could ever replace the table saw. There just seems to be so many operations that you could do on the ts that I dont think you could do on your system. The first one that came to mind was cutting molding on the ts.

Of course if money was no object I would already own one of your systems, it seems to be a great solution for smaller shops and for panel breakdown, however at over $1,200 its a hard sell on this forum where many have picked up there saws for the price of a good blade

[YCF Dino]

yasou manga.

This is what I was looking for.
Straight talking without worries that you may get assaulted by the other members.
Your thoughts are very helpfull to us.

thanks.

[Norm in Fujino]

From the videos it looks like a capable and well thought-out system; I like the compact/portable aspect, which is clearly superior to ordinary tablesaws. I may check out the track saw approach more closely.

[YCF Dino]

thanks Norm.
We use the same tools to make all our parts.
Rent, taxes & utilities in NJ are very high and the answer
is to stay small and highly productive.
The multi task capability ( from cross to rip to miter to routing and even drilling)
of the ez-one is a lifesaver for us.
The safety is always there due to the dead wood concept ( materials under control)
and we cut aluminum extrusions and plastics every day.
I worked with industrial machinery for many years and I liked the beam saws.
Easy, safe and very quick with great space savings because the panels and wood stays put while the saw slides on the track ( from under the table )

So far, from cove molding to cathedral raiced panel doors
to perfectly square components to gang routing (milling) multiple pieces and more...
the setup was up to the task with almost no time wasted between setups.

I know that the video was very poor quality without any editing and I hope to have better videos soon from an "english" speaking demonstrator and a pro videographer.

I posted five pictures on the above link
to show some of the things that we can do with the ez-one.
http://tracksawforum.com/showthread.php?t=559

thanks again.

[JoeyGee]

I watched the video, but didn't look at much else. It is an impressive system and looks to be well-built. I may have missed it, but what exactly is the demographic/market that you are looking at? Is the $1,200 price correct?

What advantage is there over one of the other track systems (Festool, Dewalt, etc) or even a plain old (free from scraps) saw board?

Is it portable? Is it suitable for a job site, or do you see it in a home and/or production shop?

Me and my $150 BT3100 are probably not yor market, but I am interested in knowing more.

[YCF Dino]

Hi Joey.
The entire setup comes apart.
Total weight 60 lbs

The concept is to have safety, versatility and speed the same time.
One can make the same setup for $400.00-500.00

The "must" components are the B-300 and a 70" guide system.
Everything else can be made from plywood and strips of wood
or straight edges that we may have.

We don't know how and we don't target any markets.
We sell many powerbenches to commercial and industrial shops.
Few cabinet shops are selling their sliders for a simple powerbench.
Many new woodworkers without tablesaws are our main core of customers.

About other tracksaws and similar systems?
Remember that our system is universal and users of other systems can be benefit from
the unique features of the ez system.
Not having to lift the saw and the track after each cut makes the track saw a portable beam saw.
I worked with $150.000.00 machines for few years and is very hard for me to use a TS or a panel saw.
Imagine how hard it is to measure and lift the saw and the rails after each cut or have to adjust
for the thickness of the wood?
If I can stay in one spot use the same tool for:
SLR, radial arm saw, tablesaw, miter saw, joiner and a routing table...
I can be more productive by not having to deal with all their problems.
More profitable for not paying for high commercial rent in NJ.

I think, the tool can find the market without a marketing dept.
I posted here to get honest feedback outside from our own forum.

Your thoughts are very helpful and useful to our company.
thanks again.

And a big thanks to the forum for not attacking my attempt to see what others think.


ycf dino

[radhak]

Like Joe, I too was a bit puzzled about what your UPS (unique selling point) was, but you have explained it pretty nicely. I now think there is a market for this type of setup.

A thought - can this system be built piece-meal? Instead of buying the whole shebang in one go, could anybody buy just the basic track (and be able use it, of course), then add other pieces months later? Would that be productive?

Note : And you don't need to worry about the reaction here. The folks here are all big softies, they don't bite much!

[chopnhack]

Leave it to the floridian's to find a way to cut costs Good job Radhak! If the core of the system is the bridge, if that was purchased separately then we could always build the rest from plywood and t-tracks. It would take a bit of work, but it just might be possible to get pretty close to the existing product. It might be a little flimsier, but the investment should be a lot smaller. Might be worth looking into for the home shop. What do you think of that Dino?

[YCF Dino]

Like Joe, I too was a bit puzzled about what your UPS (unique selling point) was, but you have explained it pretty nicely. I now think there is a market for this type of setup.

A thought - can this system be built piece-meal? Instead of buying the whole shebang in one go, could anybody buy just the basic track (and be able use it, of course), then add other pieces months later? Would that be productive?

Note : And you don't need to worry about the reaction here. The folks here are all big softies, they don't bite much!

thanks radhak.
If you have the basic bridge system...
you can use the Bridge to make all other parts.
any T-track can do the job`until you need all the features of the system.

Thanks again.

[YCF Dino]

Leave it to the floridian's to find a way to cut costs Good job Radhak! If the core of the system is the bridge, if that was purchased separately then we could always build the rest from plywood and t-tracks. It would take a bit of work, but it just might be possible to get pretty close to the existing product. It might be a little flimsier, but the investment should be a lot smaller. Might be worth looking into for the home shop. What do you think of that Dino?

It might be a little flimsier? No if you use few extra screws and brace the table.
A homemade table can be much stronger.

The only critical part of the system is the side of the table that you connect the bridge.
Everything else aligns to that side.

trimming/squaring large panels?
... few scraps of 1x4"s screwed to side with 1/2" above the table. ( squaring stops )

SLR and tapered cuts? cut to the line.

Rip cuts? two dovetails into the tabletop and a matching molding to slide in and out.
Or, any T-track and a sliding stop.

Miter cuts? You must have few tools that you can use.

If you search the forum you can find many DIY's powerbenches.
The results are always the same....as long as you have ONE straight edge.

I love to see pbb's designed by others.

thanks again

[LinuxRandal]

Leave it to the floridian's to find a way to cut costs Good job Radhak! If the core of the system is the bridge, if that was purchased separately then we could always build the rest from plywood and t-tracks. It would take a bit of work, but it just might be possible to get pretty close to the existing product. It might be a little flimsier, but the investment should be a lot smaller. Might be worth looking into for the home shop. What do you think of that Dino?

There is a post called Simple PBB Design, where he placed T slots in 2's (If I remember correctly, was originally going to use T track), that allows the small, SME extrusions, to be moved as needed. The design also allows separating the table, as well as changing dimensions. Pictures in post 25 are a good example of the creativity, of the people using them.

Where I have found the most of the extrusions benefit, is the portability and weather resistance.

[YCF Dino]

A big thanks to the forum and a new video/review for the forum to enjoy.

From CORE77

http://www.core77.com/blog/object_cu..._saw_16697.asp

Thanks again.
Your views and feedback was very valuable.

ycf dino
eurekazone